Mobius Strip and the Tome/Monolith - SPOILERS!

#1gcmusic12Posted 6/14/2012 12:58:39 PM
A few weeks ago my friend and I tackled the translation of the tome and the monolith room together and we noticed that the yellow/gold symbol on the front of the tome, and the red lines on the ground of the monolith room are Mobius Strips

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%B6bius_strip).

They're infinite in nature, have only 1 side (despite looking like they have too) and the numbers 0 and 1 are important in their construction (which may explain the 0 and 1 on the ground in the Monolith room.



SIDE NOTE AND SPOILERS : Did any musicians out there notice the pattern in which you need to read the pages of the Tome in order to translate it? 8, 4, 7, 3, 6, 2, 5 ,1..the Circle of Fifths! Which is, I suppose an example of an infinite loop, or a mobius strip.
#2gcmusic12(Topic Creator)Posted 6/14/2012 1:12:55 PM
Make that two..not...too
#3darksolgamerPosted 6/16/2012 6:08:02 AM
If only you came up with this a couple months ago, before everyone brute forced the monolith puzzle
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#4yenaphePosted 6/18/2012 2:54:11 PM
gcmusic12 posted...
Did any musicians out there notice the pattern in which you need to read the pages of the Tome in order to translate it? 8, 4, 7, 3, 6, 2, 5 ,1..the Circle of Fifths! Which is, I suppose an example of an infinite loop, or a mobius strip.


We have 16 tracks with images hidden in them, 10 numbers that looks like years (as seen in this thread: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/961239-fez/62594884), and maybe the strip is the key to uncypher all of this. Could relate to the tracks number, and the order to sort them (with the stereograms taken from Black Coffee Spirit) http://blackcoffeespirit.tumblr.com/:

8 - Legend - http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2vxbs0Khx1r8yelzo6_1280.png
4 - Progress - http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2vxbs0Khx1r8yelzo3_1280.png
7 - Formations - none
3 - Beyond - http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2vxbs0Khx1r8yelzo2_1280.png
6 - Flow - http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2vxbs0Khx1r8yelzo5_1280.png
2 - Puzzle - http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2vxbs0Khx1r8yelzo1_1280.png
5 - Beacon - http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2vxbs0Khx1r8yelzo4_1280.png
1 - Adventure - none
#5yenaphePosted 6/19/2012 8:57:15 AM
When looking for hexahedron and mobius, I found this:

http://www.superliminal.com/geometry/deltahedra/deltahedra.htm

I don't know if it's relevant to anything, but still worth a shot.
#6gcmusic12(Topic Creator)Posted 6/19/2012 9:24:45 AM
Interesting stuff. I thought maybe the big letters on each page of the tomb ( I think they're PEABEUAB or something), might refer to the first letter of track names in the soundtrack but that's not the case...
#7Gossip91Posted 6/19/2012 1:10:31 PM
Ok, so the Lost and Prisoner references in the soundtrack clearly point to the numbers being important. So how can we take the numbers given in the soundtrack and tally them up with the identified sequence? You said 10 tracks contain numbers? Would you mind posting them here and their sequence so we don't have to keep referring back to the other thread?

How many direction entries were needed for the cube again? Was it 8 as well? How can we tally the directions against any of the numbers?
#8gcmusic12(Topic Creator)Posted 6/19/2012 1:16:55 PM
Well I think the numbers were from a QR code found in one of the songs of the soundtrack. Scanning the code fed back these numbers :

1955 1958 1960
1961 1967 1969
1971 1977 2003
2005

Pretty sure the secret code for the last part of the monolith puzzle was 7 inputs, not the expected 8.
#9yenaphePosted 6/19/2012 3:28:42 PM
Here is the recap so we don't have to browse away too much:

The Tome correct page order: 1, 5, 2, 6, 3, 7, 4, 8
(when inverted 8, 4, 7, 3, 6, 2, 5 ,1 it gives the Circle of Fifths)

The tome translation is:

FROM OUT OF NOWHERE
IMPOSSIBLE VISITOR
SOUR BENEFACTORS

WATCHING OVER US
IN THE HIDDEN FOLDS OF SPACE
IN FRONT OF BEHIND

GIVE THE GOLDEN GIFT
A DEEP REVELATION
OUR EYES WIDE OPEN

SHAPES TO TESSELLATE
WITH SACRED GEOMETRY
AN EMPIRE TO BUILD

A NEW PERSPECTIVE
THINGS UNSEENS BUT ALWAYS THERE
A NEW DIRECTION

THE HEXAHEDRON
THE SIXTY FOUR BIT NAME OF GOD
THE POINT OF ORIGIN

A PATTERN A CODE
A DEEP UNDERSTANDING
A GATE TO THE STARS

ALL OF TIME AND SPACE
AND THE SPACE OUTSIDE OF SPACE
WHERE DOES IT END

The big letter order is: PAEAEBUB
And after putting it in correct order: PEABEUAB

The last sequence was 7 inputs: down, down, LT, RT, RT, A, up.

16 of the tracks have images within:
2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10, 13, 14, 18, 21, 22, 23, 25, 26

Here are the images from http://blackcoffeespirit.tumblr.com/

02 - Puzzle - http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2vxbs0Khx1r8yelzo1_1280.png

03 - Beyond - (Locke from Lost)
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2vxbs0Khx1r8yelzo2_1280.png

04 - Progress - http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2vxbs0Khx1r8yelzo3_1280.png

05 - Beacon - (Footstep on the moon 1969) -
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2vxbs0Khx1r8yelzo4_1280.png

06 - Flow - (Harry Truman. Became a freemason in 1945, was in office 1945 till 1953) -
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2vxbs0Khx1r8yelzo5_1280.png

08 - Legend - http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2vxbs0Khx1r8yelzo6_1280.png
09 - Compass - http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2vxbs0Khx1r8yelzo7_1280.png
10 - Forgotten - http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2vxbs0Khx1r8yelzo8_1280.png

13 - Fear - (450,120) -
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2vxii9P841r8yelzo1_1280.png

14 - Spirit - (QR Code: 1955 1958 1960 1961 1967 1969 1971 1977 2003 2005) -
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2vxii9P841r8yelzo2_1280.png

18 - Memory - (Smiley) -
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2vxii9P841r8yelzo3_1280.png

21 - Age - (sequential primes numbers) -
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2vxii9P841r8yelzo4_1280.png

22 - Magesty - (Crucifixion (Corpus Hypercubus) Salvador Dali 1954) -
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2vxii9P841r8yelzo5_1280.png

23 - Continuum - (painting "Eye" by M.C. Escher) -
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2vxii9P841r8yelzo6_1280.png

25 - Reflexion - http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2vxii9P841r8yelzo7_1280.png

26 - Love - (The Prisoner, at 3:35: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2kTg8hx_VY) -
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2vxii9P841r8yelzo8_1280.png

It means that 10 tracks: 1, 7, 11, 12, 15, 16, 17, 19, 20, 24 don't have anything, maybe that's also a clue (same number of items as in the QR code number list).

Now that I think about it, I'm pretty sure the dates (or numbers) of the QR code are meant to help uf figure out something with the tracks without pictures. Maybe something related to the year + name of the track.
#10GehutiPosted 6/19/2012 4:17:19 PM
yenaphe posted...

04 - Progress - http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2vxbs0Khx1r8yelzo3_1280.png


Could this represent one of the heart cube pieces? I just can't believe that they don't do nothing else...

Anything on the square tetris panels like this one? http://www.xblafans.com/wp-content/uploads//2012/04/Boiler-Room-Anti-cube-Village-copy-600x515.png

And that random series of numbers in the supposedly not important wall? http://www.xblafans.com/wp-content/uploads//2012/04/Number-System-Solution-600x558.png

I have no idea of how can all this things lead to one specific answer.