What's the relation between Yukimura and Shingen in history?

#1RexRagnellPosted 10/17/2010 5:11:45 PM
It feels like that both Koei and Capcom protrays Yukimura as Takeda's subordinate (Capcom even protrays Yukimura as the heir of the Takeda clan), but is this actually true in history? I know the Sanada clan was allied with the Takeda but were they, especially Yukimura, really that close to Takeda Shingen?
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#2DayWithoutGamesPosted 10/17/2010 5:55:30 PM
I think in history , Shingen and Yukimura have no relation at all . Just check some simple wiki : Takeda Shingen ( December 1, 1521 – May 13, 1573 ) , Sanada Yukimura ( 1567–June 3, 1615) . So that mean Shingen dies when Yukimura was 6 .

I dont know why they like to portray this relation in games though .
#3SaintTweeterPosted 10/17/2010 6:15:02 PM
Yukimura's father was one of Shingen's more known and talented generals, and also wasn't at Nagashino to die in Katsuyori (Shingen's son)'s Zerg Rush Suicide against Nobunaga and his guns. Some games just combine Yukimura and his father into one character.

Really, all Yukimura did was resist the Tokugawa, then die a badass death. : P
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#4RexRagnell(Topic Creator)Posted 10/17/2010 7:05:09 PM

From: Geese911 | #003
Really, all Yukimura did was resist the Tokugawa, then die a badass death. : P


Yeah, that's what I thought too. He only started to be recognized in the Korean campaign, in which he was named "Number One Soldier of Japan", and gained actual prominence after he died in the futile Osaka campaign.

I was confused why Yukimura was constantly yelling how he is the next Tiger of Kai, but now I guess I understood the back story. Thank you!
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#5ConfusedGamerPosted 10/17/2010 7:20:03 PM
Because YUKIMURA, OYAKATA-SAMA, YUKIMURA, OYATAKA-SAMA, YUKIMURA, OYAKATA-SAMA!!!! ad infinitum lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4NfhXoqTG0
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#6pein77Posted 10/22/2010 1:29:48 AM
They might have known each other when shingen was alive but i doubt he was a father figure to yukimura or actually important to him.
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#7SirChar0BPosted 10/22/2010 3:17:54 AM
The only real connection with Takeda and Sanada was those clans were in the same force.
So what we see in Basara is a fictional twist of 2 legendary characters.
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#8eliwood609Posted 10/22/2010 3:50:44 PM

i dont know the individual history of those two but i did read that the takeda invaded the territory the sanada clan lived in and they surrendered to them and as a result the sanada became a part of shingens forces

#9CaotreePosted 10/23/2010 7:32:45 AM
The Sanada clans a had a mini land(near to Kai) of their own flying the insignia of '6 Japanese coins' (portrayed in the game).However there are also family generals to the Takeda clan (damiyo) of Kai (HQ of the Takeda family) It is also true that Yukimura's father was one of Shingen's more known and talented generals. His father was known to be a wise strategist aiding the Takeda family. Before the battle of Sekigahara (where Tokugawa and Mitsunari clashed). The elder brother of Yukimura was sent to join Tokugawa's clan by their father(in the event,either the West or East won,an offspring is still around to continue the family name).Niway, Yukimura rocks. In the battle of Osaka, he was said to lead a handful of army so well that they penetrated Tokugawa's forces striking fear in the latter's heart. : ) Shingen and Yukimura both rockz!!! Guess Takeda clan could have make their mark if Takeda Shingen had not died early : (
#10RexRagnell(Topic Creator)Posted 10/23/2010 7:51:56 AM

From: Caotree | #009
Guess Takeda clan could have make their mark if Takeda Shingen had not died early : (


If Shingen didn't die early, I am probably sure Ieyasu would have been annihilated in Mikagahara.
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