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alright, just started the game

#1Inhuman-DesignPosted 4/19/2012 4:25:48 PM
And I made a beast. I'm curious to how bad their gunning actually is? So far its not bad but I'm sure higher rank makes this changes drastically. How is their tech damage compared to Newmans? So far I'm enjoying the class, nano blast is a but wonky but fun as well, just wondering if I picked a terrible race...a
#2Shoot the WorksPosted 4/19/2012 5:18:05 PM
The worst race would technically be humans due to their strongest area (defense) being the worst stat in the game; they aren't the best at anything, and their racial perk is the one stat you don't want to depend on in this game. Beasts make for the best hunters alongside casts, and the best vanguards alongside newmans.

Newmans have the best tech damage, hands down; the order from there goes human > beast > cast, with slight variance from gender differences. Their massive PP pool is also a factor though; Newmans having the largest pool and second best regen makes them the ideal tech users by far. A beast's smaller pool and terrible regen means they'll have to melee more often between techs. Not that this matters much unless you're a force, since techs are the worst of the attack types.
#3Inhuman-Design(Topic Creator)Posted 4/19/2012 6:49:44 PM
So what class would be good to use for a but of melee and ranged, but with some decent tech use?
#4Shoot the WorksPosted 4/19/2012 8:52:41 PM
Class or race? Vanguards are the jack of all trades (second-best with every attack type; overpowered with EX traps+Burst Bomber); humans are the best all-rounders (second~third best at any given class; never the worst, but never the best). That said, the limited space for abilities and armor modules means you're a lot better off focusing on two methods of attack, with melee being a staple because of its PP regen properties. Given that most guns rely on the same stats as melee for damage (ATK+ACC), melee+guns is the optimal combination. Techs require a lot of work (gear+abilities) to be decent, and draw on a completely different stat for power (TEC), which makes them less ideal for a hybrid weapon style.

I personally didn't find techs to be too bad in PSP2, but then, I played a newman and had a few psycho wands before I started using them regularly.
#5HeavensEndPosted 4/19/2012 9:16:24 PM
Despite what people say say humans arn't the worst class. While they do have the best defence, mind and STA, they are an all rounder class. Not the best at anything but not the worst (please note they are the only class to not have a C rank in stats)

Casts are very good because they have crazy high HP, high attack, high defence and high accuracy. Although they have the lowest PP, their rate of PP recovery is the fastest, making this THE class for guns. Casts are proficient hunters but all in all king of rangers. Drawback is casts have horrible evade and mind. Techs will do serious damage to a cast and you have to have rolling and blocking on par or risk getting tossed around.

Newmans...terrible attack, defence and hp but high (tech and evade especially) in everything else. Newmans are technically built to be range specialists only. With 2nd best accuracy and the highest pool of PP, they are good rangers but this is your Force race. Their tech is mad high and since newmans have the highest tech their mirage blasts do more damage than humans.

Beasts are very similar to casts, you'll see some arguments on here which one of those 2 races make the best hunters. Beasts boasts the best attack of all races with hp 2nd to cast. They have the best or equal evade of a newman. Ok-ish PP but very slow recovery. While they are strong beasts biggest flaw is accuracy...its bad, so you'll need weapons with decent accuracy or acc modules to compensate. (especially if you going to use ranger)

All i've said here though are just technical facts. I've seen newman hunters, beast forces, beast rangers...hell I (among 4 others I know) have a FOcast.

But if you want melee and range with decent tech...only humans can offer that.
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#6Shoot the WorksPosted 4/19/2012 10:34:33 PM
Worst in this game doesn't mean unplayable; nothing is unplayable. It just means their spread of stats doesn't allow them to excel at anything. Humans were designed to be the best at taking hits in a game where you don't want to be taking hits. Or somewhat, anyway; they're ranked third for HP, so an argument can be made for casts/beasts doing that better. Every other race has at least one class that they're the best in, or tie for best (cast: RA/HU, beast: HU/VA, newman: FO/VA). Humans at best tie for second in RA (a hair more damage than newman with ATK based guns, but newman PP makes them better at sustaining fire), and second best in FO (not a big deal when newmans aren't exactly proud to be the best here).

Even for a complete hybrid play style, I'd probably recommend newman VA over human. Better PP for sustaining techs+guns and more PA usage, ACC for guns+melee, stronger damaging mirage blast (doomshroom is dumb), and newman VA EVA gets to be pretty ridiculous for most situations even if you don't stack it, so they eventually get pretty comfortable with being in a monster's face even if you're mediocre with blocking/rolling. Their melee will hurt less, but pretty much everything else is equal or better.
#7Inhuman-Design(Topic Creator)Posted 4/19/2012 10:50:47 PM
So how are focasts?
#8HeavensEndPosted 4/20/2012 12:00:44 AM
I understand you don't want to get hit...but the facts are you will get hit. A human can take physical and tech hits well. A cast may have high hp and attack but when they get slapped with barta, that hp don't mean nothing...a beast may have high attack, but unless you get a assload of acc mods or a Sangeyasha and Bugei get used to seeing zeros, newmans have high tech but when they get punched its over.

Opinions anyway. My first character was human and she does just fine with damage, acc, tech etc...

@Inhuman-Design FOcasts are actually pretty damn good. Due to their fast pp recovery techs can be cast quite frequently. BRcasts are also better than you'd think. Any race can be good with any class if you know what to equip. Some will still be the best at it, others can be good.
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#9WanderingBishopPosted 4/20/2012 3:07:50 AM
Inhuman-Design posted...
So how are focasts?

Pretty bad, only thing they really have going for them is high PP regen and high HP which may or may not let you survive a hard hit.
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#10HeavensEndPosted 4/20/2012 3:20:06 AM
WanderingBishop posted...
Inhuman-Design posted...
So how are focasts?

Pretty bad, only thing they really have going for them is high PP regen and high HP which may or may not let you survive a hard hit.


My FOcast begs to differ, sir.
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