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Serene Grace stack with King's Rock?

#1cH053n1Posted 4/17/2011 8:05:16 PM
I want to use Sawsbuck but he doesn't have any flinch moves so he does not fit into my strategy....

BUT

if Serene Grace would increase the chance of King's Rock causing a flinch... that would be sick!

so I wonder does Serene Grace stack with King's Rock?

doubt anyone really knows...
#2SceptilesolarPosted 4/17/2011 8:33:48 PM
There are way better ways to abuse flinchhax than that...
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#3Number4RocketPosted 4/17/2011 8:36:38 PM

Sceptilesolarbeam posted...
There are way better ways to abuse flinchhax than that...
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But if he wants to go for his offskew way, then give him some adivce, bro.

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#4kyamatoPosted 4/17/2011 8:47:09 PM
Smogon did some investigation back in D/P days: http://www.smogon.com/dp/items/kings_rock. General gist is that flinching probability follows this formula: p + (1 - p) * 0.1 where p is the inherent chance of the item flinching. As you can see, if p = 0, then 0 + 1*0.1 = 0.1, which is true to King's rock's description.

Note however that the formula is for D/P, and it has yet to be proven the same mechanism is true for B/W. I personally think it's safe to assume so however.
#5ChocoboMog123Posted 4/17/2011 9:24:06 PM
30% extra damage from LO >>> 10% extra damage from King's Rock.
Even if it did stack with Serene Grace, LO would be better.
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#6cH053n1(Topic Creator)Posted 4/17/2011 10:06:01 PM
whoops misses this section of the description on bulbapedia
" It does not, however, improve the chance of item effects." - http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Serene_Grace
#7AdmiralQballPosted 4/17/2011 10:43:00 PM
Plus Serene Grace Sawsbuck doesn't exist. 5th gen DW pokes aren't available in DW.
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#8Lord_MuhznitPosted 4/17/2011 11:01:50 PM
I'm pretty damn sure SG DOES affect King's Rock's flinch rate at least. My flinchsparce has performed unusualy well as of late. Even still, 60% flinch chance is pretty cool.

ChocoboMog123 posted...
30% extra damage from LO >>> 10% extra damage from King's Rock.
Even if it did stack with Serene Grace, LO would be better.


1. It's a Flinch chance, not extra damage.
2. King's Rock stacks with flinching moves now, so Dunsparce's Headbutt has at least a 70% flinch rate.
3. 0 damage from inflicting flinch 3 turns in a row> losing 30% HP in that same time period.
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