the reapers supposed sentience

#1edgecrusher02Posted 2/4/2013 9:38:33 AM
this is something that has always made me think. the way they talk and the way they refer to themselves has me question this. in ME1 sovereign says things about how they are independent and each a nation... but then says things like "we simply are." its like they are doing what they were tasked to do without questioning it. i seriously doubt that they are "remote controlled" by the catalyst so to speak. but rather they are "programmed" with their task int their very creation and without any prolonged outside influence from other life, they cannot change or adapt. this would be the difference between the reapers and EDI or legion. EDI and legion spent time among organics and were able to witness our varied ways of thinking and were able to "think" about it.

something that has always intrigued me is that if the reapers truly were independent, wouldnt AT LEAST one of them disagree with the catalysts solution? i think something cool they could have done is address this by doing something like discovering a reaper that stayed behind after a harvest and managed to interact with the life of the following cycle which caused it to question its purpose. i half suspected that this is what we would find with leviathan. i didnt think they would let us meet the very creators of the reapers, but rather a "traitor" reaper that changed that would tell us basically the same thing the leviathan did.
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#2NafzgerPosted 2/4/2013 9:41:05 AM
Sovereign just wanted to kill organics. He went rogue.
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#3edgecrusher02(Topic Creator)Posted 2/4/2013 9:42:51 AM
thats a possibility. but a machine actively choosing to "go evil" like that doesnt make much sense to me. i dont think its that simple. all the reapers talk like he did. he just went on for longer if you asked him questions.
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#4NafzgerPosted 2/4/2013 10:08:15 AM
Sovereign and Harbinger were entirely different.

Harbinger wanted to ascend humanity and Reapify them. He talks about how the other races are inferior or flawed.

Sovereign viewed all organic life as inferior, and a mistake and believed Reapers to be superior.
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#5SRR CapdownPosted 2/4/2013 10:09:55 AM
They believe that they're doing the right thing. They're like soldiers, told what they're doing is a necessary evil and they a convinced as suchand will defend their stance to the bitter end.

They're definitely sentient, but at the same time, kind of brainwashed.
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#6edgecrusher02(Topic Creator)Posted 2/4/2013 10:16:24 AM
SRR Capdown posted...
They believe that they're doing the right thing. They're like soldiers, told what they're doing is a necessary evil and they a convinced as suchand will defend their stance to the bitter end.

They're definitely sentient, but at the same time, kind of brainwashed.


this is how i see it as well. i think that the reapers possess the ability to question their purpose, but have not yet been in a situation that allowed for it since they never have any prolonged time with any other life.

the thought that any of the reapers are solely "evil" just because or that the reapers in general are like this, is ludicrous to me. they wont be that way unless they are given a reason to. no other synthetic in the series has had that line of thinking. its sad to me that many people would prefer the story to devolve to stopping "evil machines" without any real knowledge as to why they are this way and where they came from. im glad it wasnt like that in the end.
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