Sticker Star and New SMB 2 sure are products.

#1VyersPosted 11/28/2012 9:03:42 PM
They feel like they were designed not because they felt that there was something they really wanted to do with the two franchises, but because they wanted to sell a product to the largest common denominator. The Iwata Asks for Paper Mario confirms it; cutting the story because the game was "fine" without it (apparently being fine is good enough), and in general trying to simplify the game. In the end, they cut down the amount of dialogue (the dialogue of a series which people consider the best of Nintendo's). The problem with Paper Mario: Sticker Star has nothing to do with its gameplay, for the most part. Its story is boring, it's basically as bad as Galaxy 2's was, and I wonder if they had to hide the one new character from Miyamoto.

Miyamoto doesn't get story. He's right that not every game needs a good story. But you know what does? A franchise that has been about story from the very first game. I'm sure The Legend of Zelda would be fine without a story (in fact, many would regard the first game as without a story, since it almost never seems to delve into it). So just imagine all Zeldas from now on being as story-deep as the very first game. Or all Metroids having the story depth of Sticker Star. Does that sound like a good thing?

Miyamoto leaving his position is honestly, and literally, the best thing that has happened to Nintendo in the last 10 years. He is doing George Lucas-level harm to the franchises he has created. He may have done great work in his younger years, but quite frankly, the industry has grown and Miyamoto has not. He still wants to make NES games, and he wants everyone else to make NES games. In this day and age, Koizumi, Tezuka, even Aonuma are better for Nintendo than Miyamoto is today.
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#2Chenmaster2Posted 11/28/2012 9:09:07 PM
He's not perfect.

However he is in charge of quite a lot of big projects.
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#3surferguy7Posted 11/28/2012 9:14:15 PM
I care so much.

*Continues to enjoy Sticker Star*
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#4Vyers(Topic Creator)Posted 11/28/2012 9:23:32 PM
Chenmaster2 posted...
He's not perfect.

However he is in charge of quite a lot of big projects.


That's a big problem. Is he in charge of quite a lot of big projects because he actively warrants these assignments, or because he used to warrant it?

surferguy7 posted...
I care so much.

*Continues to enjoy Sticker Star*


Are fans such as surferguy7 so petty and defensive of their opinion that they cannot view any criticism of something they like without feeling angry? By the way, no one who legitimately doesn't care about something says "I care so much". Honestly, a person who says that is more likely to care than a person who says "I don't care" is likely to not care. The phrase is less commonly used to mean that, than it is to mean "I disapprove of this, but have no real rebuttal or criticism".
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#5Rurouni720Posted 11/28/2012 9:28:38 PM
Since Miyamoto is taking a step down this December. I forget, who's replacing him again?
#6Vyers(Topic Creator)Posted 11/28/2012 9:32:54 PM
Rurouni720 posted...
Since Miyamoto is taking a step down this December. I forget, who's replacing him again?


I think that would be Tezuka, but I'm not sure.
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#7Rurouni720Posted 11/28/2012 9:40:09 PM
Vyers posted...
Rurouni720 posted...
Since Miyamoto is taking a step down this December. I forget, who's replacing him again?


I think that would be Tezuka, but I'm not sure.


*Checks*

Yep, it's him. Takashi Tezuka, who is apparently going to be the new EAD general manager.

Apparently his works were on these:

Devil World – designer (with Shigeru Miyamoto)[5]
Super Mario Bros. – designer (with Shigeru Miyamoto)[6]
Super Mario Bros. 2 (The Lost Levels) – designer[6]
The Legend of Zelda – director, designer, and writer (with Shigeru Miyamoto)[7]
Super Mario Bros. 3 – designer (with Shigeru Miyamoto)[8]
Super Mario World – main director
The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past – director
The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening – director
Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island – director (with others)
BS The Legend of Zelda – designer (with Shigeru Miyamoto)
BS The Legend of Zelda: Inishie no Sekiban – supervisor
Yoshi's Story – producer
Super Mario 64 - assistant director (with Yoshiaki Koizumi)
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time – supervisor (with Toshihiko Nakago)
The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask – supervisor
The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Seasons and Oracle of Ages – supervisor (with others)
Luigi's Mansion – producer (with Shigeru Miyamoto)
Pikmin – progress management (with others)
Animal Crossing – producer
The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker – producer (with Shigeru Miyamoto)
The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap – supervisor (with others)
The Legend of Zelda: Four Swords Adventures – supervisor (with Toshihiko Nakago)
Pikmin 2 – producer (with Shigeru Miyamoto)
Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door – character supervisor (with others)
Yoshi Touch & Go – producer
Animal Crossing: Wild World – producer (with Katsuya Eguchi)
New Super Mario Bros. – general producer
Wii Music – producer
New Super Mario Bros. Wii – producer (with Hiroyuki Kimura)
Super Mario Galaxy 2 – producer (with Yoshiaki Koizumi)
New Super Mario Bros. 2 - producer
#8Vyers(Topic Creator)Posted 11/28/2012 9:44:25 PM
Definitely a great director. A lot of people really should remember that he was the lead director on Super Mario World, ALttP, and Link's Awakening, and assisted in the development of the Mario and Zelda franchises from the very beginning.
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#9Sol_ClydePosted 11/28/2012 9:53:12 PM(edited)
I'm gonna say this again. Sticker Star's problem wasn't the lack of story. It was the terrible mechanics.
A good story might make the product better in the end, but for certain games it doesn't matter how bad the story is, so long as how you play the game is interesting and addictive.
SPM had a great story, yet the game itself was terrible. The rest of the Paper Marios? They had stories alright, but their plots weren't anything special. Mostly repeatition from other Nintendo games made in the past or some plot you can see in a dozen Pokιmon episodes. Yet they were successful because no one gives a crap about the story quality if the battle system is fun, dialogues are amusing and the areas are a playground.

Miyamoto isn't wrong when saying the story isn't very important, but he's wrong when he goes so far as to intentionally cripple it.
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#10Vyers(Topic Creator)Posted 11/28/2012 9:55:36 PM
Paper Mario TTYD definitely excelled in many ways for its story. The interaction between TEC and Peach was not only original in the series, but also good. The villain type was original; it was nice to see Bowser out of the limelight (aside from his role in Mario & Luigi). The dialogue was great, and it had many likable characters.

I simply do not see how you can think that the story wasn't an important element of the franchise. They may not stand as the most important game stories ever, but they were pretty good.
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