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Who says the 3DS doesn't have any open world games?
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grans posted... From: Unbral | #029A spinoff is a piece derived of a series, in media, which represents a change in storytelling and is not necessarily related to the main series. So according to your theory, spinoffs doesn't exist. Also,"represents a change in storytelling" is the key term: it doesn't matter if it happens after or before; if the plot structure is different, like having Sora and Riku travelling inside dreams and minds, instead of having Sora, Donald and Goofy wandering around Disney worlds, then it is a spinoff. Kind of like what happens in Paper Mario, compared to Super Mario Bros.: it doesn't even has a place in the timeline, but the reason why it is a spinoff is because the way of telling the story is different. --- The official Kouga Saburou of the Shin Megami Tensei IV board. | |
Spinoffs exist, your definition of them is just wrong as is your label of certain games as spinoffs when they aren't. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spin-off_(media) http://www.thefreedictionary.com/spin-off http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/spin-off In KH3D you are still are wandering around Disney worlds. Nothing has changed in that regard, just the way they get to said worlds and what you have to do to help them. The dream part is the only real change, the story is a vital part of the main flowing continuity (it's not a side story or anything). Just because a new plot element was introduced, it doesn't mean the game is a spinoff. By that definition you're using, KH2 could be considered a spinoff based on the fact that there's a new sort of enemy you're fighting and the core plot has been switched around a lot. Jak 2 and 3 make drastic changes to both the plot as well as massive changes to the gameplay in comparison to the original Jak and Daxter. And yet they're not spinoffs. The PSP game Daxter on the other hand would fit that definition a bit better, it's a side story that stars Daxter instead of Jak and what he was up to during the time between Jak 1 and Jak 2. I guess in some odd way you could consider the individual main numbered Final Fantasy games as spinoffs of one another. No real direct connections to one another plot wise and all (besides the couple that had actual direct sequels made for them like X-2 and the XIII sequels). --- NEVER judge a game you have not played. -Granville | |
grans posted... Spinoffs exist, your definition of them is just wrong as is your label of certain games as spinoffs when they aren't. Of course it is a sidestory. It doesn't involve the actual main plot of Xehanort. It just tries to explain stuff. And while it has some connection to the other ones, it still is just a sidestory, that will be briefly resumed in KH3 so that people won't need to play it. And I didn't mean gameplay changes. I meant storytelling changes. The storytelling in Jak games remained the same, and let me give you another example: in Pokémon series, you capture monsters and go from town to town challenging people. Is Mystery Dungeon a spinoff because it plays different or because now you are focused on Pokémon instead of trainers, or both? "In media, a spin-off is a radio program, television program, video game, or any narrative work, derived from one or more already existing works, that focuses, in particular, in more detail on one aspect of that original work (e.g. a particular topic, character, or event)." --- The official Kouga Saburou of the Shin Megami Tensei IV board. | |
The real question that should be asked is WHO CARES that the 3DS doesn't have any open world games. Open world games are not special, they're one type of game and aren't necessary for full enjoyment of a system. A game that has a defined progression is in fact usually MORE FUN than one that lets you run rampant doing whatever you want, as you will have the story and emotional notes mapped out ahead of time to maximize their effectiveness. --- 3DS FC: 4639-9048-2382, Wii FC: 4558-6862-5396-5206, PSN: MidgardDragon DD Pawn: http://game.capcom.co.jp/DD/en/pawn_detail/?pf=PS3&gid=MidgardDragon | |
I've never played the Mystery Dungeon games and am not a huge Pokemon player so I don't have much expertise on what is or isn't a spinoff there. I will say that Jak 2 had massive changes to the plot. Your character received a massive change in personality (he was given one for starters). But the entire world changed around you, sending you to a dark world with sleazy city dwellers and corrupt politicians. I will also say as someone who has played all the Kingdom Hearts games that I'm wondering whether you have beaten KH3D and seen what the villains are doing. It most definitely involves the main plot of Xehanort and it sets up what he's planning to do in KH3. Arguably moreso than either KH1 or KH2 now that we're dealing with his original form and mastermind behind the other events in the series. The plots of all the other KH games are explained via documents in KH3D, you can argue that you don't need to play any of them as long as you're able to read them in the latest main game. This includes KH1 and KH2. It's a staple of the series to have recaps of the previous game. While you might be able to follow the plot based on a documented explanation (the Golden Sun series explains the preceding games in each newer installation), this does not constitute something being a spinoff at all. Both Chain of Memories and KH2 had recaps of KH1. The entire plot of KH2 and future games in the series would fall apart without Chain of Memories. And future games will rely very much on both BBS and 3D for people to get the core plotlines. People who have ignored them as unimportant spinoffs will not know what is going on unless they rely on the documents provided (and if you have to rely on those to get you up to speed, your spinoff argument crumbles under you). The only KH games that don't really involve the main story of Xehanort are ReCoded and that V-Cast game on old cell phones (a very true spinoff as it's completely irrelevant to everything else in the series). Even Days at least involves Xehanort as the primary antagonist, despite its status as side game. --- NEVER judge a game you have not played. -Granville | |
MidgardDragon99 posted... A game that has a defined progression is in fact usually MORE FUN than one that lets you run rampant doing whatever you want No. I've had more mindless fun and spent more time with GTA, Saints Row and Elder Scrolls games both alone and with friends than any other game. And I know this was a smart ass topic but it was a failure of one. At least try to understand what the genre means. Not a single one of those games fulfills the requirements to be considered an open world game. | |
Kingdom Hearts can be considered a spin-off. Kid Icarus lolno. Kingdom Hearts 1-3 in the ongoing core series. Anything else is technically a spin-off. Kid Icarus was a reboot of the series. That's like calling Mario 64 a spin-off. Either way spin-off isn't a negative term at all. Persona is a spin-off and they're considered some of the greatest games of all time. | |
>Mario Kart >Open World Hahahah! The NDF is in full force to try and make their system look better by any means. Have fun not knowing what you're saying while you make the rest of the normal Nintendo fans look bad. --- You only need to know two things to understand KH: Everyone is Sora, Everything is Xehanort's fault. http://backloggery.com/Lord_Frood | |
In this topic- VerySolidusSnak doesn't know what an open world game is and people yell at him because of it. | |
Robot_Soopa posted... Kingdom Hearts can be considered a spin-off. even super Mario bros. is a spin-off. |
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