Do you think that Dream Team was affected much by Nintendo's interference?

#1wiiking96Posted 9/10/2013 3:57:54 PM
We know based on the Iwata Asks that Nintendo(probably meaning Miyamoto) tried to interfere with Dream Team by providing "suggestions". Alphadream disagreed with Nintendo on a lot of their requests.

The question at hand is this: Did Nintendo/Miyamoto ever threaten Alphadream into doing what they wanted, or did Alphadream perhaps try to appease them by following a couple of their suggestions to get them to stop annoying them?

I wouldn't be surprised if Peach being limited to simply being kidnapped again wasn't what Alphadream wanted to do, along with Antasma being largely overshadowed by Bowser as the main villain and not having much development beyond his backstory(most of which is optional, might I add).

Your guys' thoughts on this?
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#2AceMosPosted 9/10/2013 4:00:22 PM
when will ppl get it int ehre heads miyamoto is not the one who ruined sticker star he made a sugestion thats it

the fans who reviewed it through club nintendo told the dev's his point was valid acordign to there dislike of super paper mario
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#3toad133Posted 9/10/2013 4:01:06 PM
I highly doubt Nintendo threatened them or something as dramatic as that, nor that Alpahdream strived to appease them outside of what they would normally expect.

The Iwata Asks makes it sound like Alpahdream told Nintendo 'nope, don't wanna do that' and that was that.
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#4Mariofan15Posted 9/10/2013 4:07:53 PM
AceMos posted...
when will ppl get it int ehre heads miyamoto is not the one who ruined sticker star he made a sugestion thats it

the fans who reviewed it through club nintendo told the dev's his point was valid acordign to there dislike of super paper mario


Lol. Except he is.
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#5Blacknite08Posted 9/10/2013 4:10:54 PM
I did notice that there were no new enemies that were new takes on classic enemies like these guys:
http://www.spriters-resource.com/resources/sheets/7/7470.png
http://www.spriters-resource.com/resources/sheets/1/847.png
http://www.spriters-resource.com/resources/sheets/20/21473.png

Maybe Nintendo said that they could make all the new enemies they want but they can't tamper with the classic enemy designs like they did in past games.
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#6AceMosPosted 9/10/2013 4:15:53 PM
Mariofan15 posted...
AceMos posted...
when will ppl get it int ehre heads miyamoto is not the one who ruined sticker star he made a sugestion thats it

the fans who reviewed it through club nintendo told the dev's his point was valid acordign to there dislike of super paper mario


Lol. Except he is.


except if you read the interview you would know what happened
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#7wiiking96(Topic Creator)Posted 9/10/2013 4:16:38 PM
Blacknite08 posted...
I did notice that there were no new enemies that were new takes on classic enemies like these guys:
http://www.spriters-resource.com/resources/sheets/7/7470.png
http://www.spriters-resource.com/resources/sheets/1/847.png
http://www.spriters-resource.com/resources/sheets/20/21473.png

Maybe Nintendo said that they could make all the new enemies they want but they can't tamper with the classic enemy designs like they did in past games.

Hmm, yeah, that's possible. Though Lob-Bombs are a very distant variation on Bob-Bombs. There are also Bloopurns, which sort of fit the idea of a variance on a past enemy, though not in quite the normal way.
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#8arvilinoPosted 9/10/2013 4:25:15 PM(edited)
Blacknite08 posted...
I did notice that there were no new enemies that were new takes on classic enemies like these guys:
http://www.spriters-resource.com/resources/sheets/7/7470.png
http://www.spriters-resource.com/resources/sheets/1/847.png
http://www.spriters-resource.com/resources/sheets/20/21473.png

Maybe Nintendo said that they could make all the new enemies they want but they can't tamper with the classic enemy designs like they did in past games.


Probably, while it wasn't Mario&Luigi which did it. I have a feeling Super Paper Mario having very few Mario elements actually in it(and pretty much all major and minor NPCs not even being from Mario series) rose some flags with Nintendo.

I mean if you replaced the four main characters, chapters 4,5,6 and 7(which have close to no Mario enemies) would have very little to even distinguish it as a Paper Mario game.
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#9wiiking96(Topic Creator)Posted 9/10/2013 4:23:30 PM
arvilino posted...
Blacknite08 posted...
I did notice that there were no new enemies that were new takes on classic enemies like these guys:
http://www.spriters-resource.com/resources/sheets/7/7470.png
http://www.spriters-resource.com/resources/sheets/1/847.png
http://www.spriters-resource.com/resources/sheets/20/21473.png

Maybe Nintendo said that they could make all the new enemies they want but they can't tamper with the classic enemy designs like they did in past games.


Probably, while it wasn't Mario&Luigi which did it. I have a feeling Super Paper Mario having very few Mario elements actually in it(and pretty much all major and minor NPCs not even being from Mario series) rose some flags with Nintendo.

To be honest, I would have liked some of the NPCs in SPM to be from past Mario games. They could have been made up of paper segments like the generic human-like NPCs, to reflect them being from a dimension that's not the Mushroom World.
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#10The Blob2000Posted 9/10/2013 4:29:39 PM(edited)
Fans love Thousand Year Door. Fans were not that happy with Super Paper Mario.
What changed? Lack of badges and the battle system are mainly what changed.

So, how come it makes sense to Nintendo to give us Sticker Star, a game that didn't give us badges, partners, experience points, a decent story, etc.? No, it does not follow from fans claiming Super Paper Mario wasn't as good as TTYD to conclude the story doesn't matter or whatever Miyamoto tried to tell them.
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