Paper Mario: Sticker Star

Excalibur wins the thread. He speaks so much truth. I still can't comprehend why a couple people here defend this game so much. Felt the same way about Dream Drop Distance and its fans. Buyer's remorse I guess.
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DarkPit3P2 posted...

Cause fanboys didn't get what they wanted. This game is fantastic, regardless of "negativity" from "PM die-hard fans". I like the change it has. Goombella's note was a nice reference.

This is so wrong! Just because we want some of the old mechanics does not make us negative seeking fanboys/girls. Have you not read the wiiking96 thread? Besides you're making a huge generalization, grouping together the fact that fans want some PM RPG elements returned and assuming we want an exact replica of TTYD or PM1. While we're fine with innovation, some basic elements of gameplay should be consistent with the entire series.

Look at it this way, Paper Mario classifies itself as an RPG! Final Fantasy is an RPG and all games (however much they changed FFXIII) still had a turn based battle system/experience with party members and an actual story. In fact, isn't this the basis of ALL RPGs (Dragon Quest, Tales of, Star Ocean, Valkyrie Profiles, Pokemon) though? Stop blaming fan expectations when it's the entire genre which uses this formula (in different ways albeit but they amount to the same thing).

Why change an RPG (when it classifies itself as one) into more and more of a platformer? They've already got their dozens of super mario games...so why change one of their other games into more of the same thing?

Also, compare the success of PM64 and TTYD with SPM. PM N64 and TTYD were doing well with that formula and so IS should have realised that SOMETHING was working. Innovation is FINE, but with SPM was doing less well and getting lower rated reviews, IS should have realised not to go further in de-RPGising PM because PM had a formula which WORKED while SPM NOT SO MUCH. They should have gone back to the original concept and then changed things from there again.

Also there is a false perception that Western gamers prefer platformers to RPGs and Japanese developers change their games to reflect that. However, they also don't realise that Western gamers actually do LOVE RPGs like World of Warcraft and Eldar Scrolls...
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Pikablu45 posted...

DarkPit3P2 posted...

Cause fanboys didn't get what they wanted. This game is fantastic, regardless of "negativity" from "PM die-hard fans". I like the change it has. Goombella's note was a nice reference.

This is so wrong! Just because we want some of the old mechanics does not make us negative seeking fanboys/girls. Have you not read the wiiking96 thread? Besides you're making a huge generalization, grouping together the fact that fans want some PM RPG elements returned and assuming we want an exact replica of TTYD or PM1. While we're fine with innovation, some basic elements of gameplay should be consistent with the entire series.

Look at it this way, Paper Mario classifies itself as an RPG! Final Fantasy is an RPG and all games (however much they changed FFXIII) still had a turn based battle system/experience with party members and an actual story. In fact, isn't this the basis of ALL RPGs (Dragon Quest, Tales of, Star Ocean, Valkyrie Profiles, Pokemon) though? Stop blaming fan expectations when it's the entire genre which uses this formula (in different ways albeit but they amount to the same thing).

Why change an RPG (when it classifies itself as one) into more and more of a platformer? They've already got their dozens of super mario games...so why change one of their other games into more of the same thing?

Also, compare the success of PM64 and TTYD with SPM. PM N64 and TTYD were doing well with that formula and so IS should have realised that SOMETHING was working. Innovation is FINE, but with SPM was doing less well and getting lower rated reviews, IS should have realised not to go further in de-RPGising PM because PM had a formula which WORKED while SPM NOT SO MUCH. They should have gone back to the original concept and then changed things from there again.

Also there is a false perception that Western gamers prefer platformers to RPGs and Japanese developers change their games to reflect that. However, they also don't realise that Western gamers actually do LOVE RPGs like World of Warcraft and Eldar Scrolls...

I agree with this completely. By the way, two of those examples are real time, not turn based. I see your point entirely though.
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That's not what people are asking for. I'm not a huge fan of the sticker system, but it's fun enough. I have no problem keeping that and other changes, but there are other aspects of the series I don't want to see changed. Like completely tossing out all plot. It makes the worlds all fell pretty dull and lifeless.
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EvenSpoonier posted...

tilaroxs posted...

EvenSpoonier posted...

tilaroxs posted...

EvenSpoonier posted...

Because they wanted a reskin of TTYD, and that's not what this is.

Nope

Care to explain how the common complaints don't reduce to wanting a reskin of TTYD?

Look it up yourself. I'm not explaining it for the 500th time.

Funny, because I have looked it up, and it still basically reduces to "we want a reskin of TTYD". More to the point, they want to stick to the basic RPG formulas while keeping the game so tough to play that only the Hardcore Fans (tm) will even bother. They want the series to be Just For Them, which is why it shouldn't cater to them at all: that's the attitude that ruins gaming.

Thanks for totally ignoring me. Please explain how what we want is a rehash. If don't, then I have no reason to believe anything you say is anything more than a load of hot air.
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