Why do so many people see this game as a let down?

#31tilaroxsPosted 11/25/2012 12:54:23 PM
Virtue777 posted...
wiiking96 posted...

Thanks for totally ignoring me. Please explain how what we want is a rehash. If don't, then I have no reason to believe anything you say is anything more than a load of hot air.


Fanboys tend to see only what they want to see. Just ignore him and move on, lol. No point in reasoning with those who willingly embrace ignorance.
#32not_here49587Posted 11/25/2012 1:45:49 PM
I will have to agree with Excalibur here (apart from the argument about the music, which is subjective).

Sticker Star is a good game in which effort was put (except for the story-line). While It's not as good as the first two, it's still fun. (And even though I can't judge it very well just yet, I think my opinion on it won't change much (if at all) in the future).

I do not mind we got a game like it, but I believe the next paper Mario game should be more similar to the first two games in the series (by no means a copy/paste job, though).

Anyway, It's nice to see that some companies that used to create masterpieces have still got it, because Camelot's most recent Mario sports title, Mario Tennis Open, was very disappointing.
#33EvenSpoonierPosted 11/25/2012 2:25:49 PM
wiiking96 posted...
Thanks for totally ignoring me. Please explain how what we want is a rehash. If don't, then I have no reason to believe anything you say is anything more than a load of hot air.


I didn't ignore you. What you (impersonal) want is a rehash because you've essentially asked for every change the game made to be reverted to the same form used in TTYD, often using that game by name as an example. That's asking for a reskin.
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#34tilaroxsPosted 11/25/2012 2:31:39 PM(edited)
EvenSpoonier posted...
wiiking96 posted...
Thanks for totally ignoring me. Please explain how what we want is a rehash. If don't, then I have no reason to believe anything you say is anything more than a load of hot air.


I didn't ignore you. What you (impersonal) want is a rehash because you've essentially asked for every change the game made to be reverted to the same form used in TTYD, often using that game by name as an example. That's asking for a reskin.


No it isn't. If you actually looked at that thread, you would see that the changes he wished for a true PM game are significant changes. Now if you scroll down, you eill see the definition of rehash.
#35ApolloJusticeAAPosted 11/25/2012 2:33:25 PM
Pikablu45 posted...
DarkPit3P2 posted...
Cause fanboys didn't get what they wanted. This game is fantastic, regardless of "negativity" from "PM die-hard fans". I like the change it has. Goombella's note was a nice reference.


This is so wrong! Just because we want some of the old mechanics does not make us negative seeking fanboys/girls. Have you not read the wiiking96 thread? Besides you're making a huge generalization, grouping together the fact that fans want some PM RPG elements returned and assuming we want an exact replica of TTYD or PM1. While we're fine with innovation, some basic elements of gameplay should be consistent with the entire series.

Look at it this way, Paper Mario classifies itself as an RPG! Final Fantasy is an RPG and all games (however much they changed FFXIII) still had a turn based battle system/experience with party members and an actual story. In fact, isn't this the basis of ALL RPGs (Dragon Quest, Tales of, Star Ocean, Valkyrie Profiles, Pokemon) though? Stop blaming fan expectations when it's the entire genre which uses this formula (in different ways albeit but they amount to the same thing).

Why change an RPG (when it classifies itself as one) into more and more of a platformer? They've already got their dozens of super mario games...so why change one of their other games into more of the same thing?

Also, compare the success of PM64 and TTYD with SPM. PM N64 and TTYD were doing well with that formula and so IS should have realised that SOMETHING was working. Innovation is FINE, but with SPM was doing less well and getting lower rated reviews, IS should have realised not to go further in de-RPGising PM because PM had a formula which WORKED while SPM NOT SO MUCH. They should have gone back to the original concept and then changed things from there again.

Also there is a false perception that Western gamers prefer platformers to RPGs and Japanese developers change their games to reflect that. However, they also don't realise that Western gamers actually do LOVE RPGs like World of Warcraft and Eldar Scrolls...


RPGs have more to their classification then just turn-based battles and an experience system. monster hunter tri and megaman battle network both classify as RPGs and neither uses an experience system or turn based combat
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#36klecserPosted 11/25/2012 2:52:34 PM
Chaosmaster00 posted...
ITT: A bunch of people who bought a game without doing their research first.

Seriously, if you guys did ANY looking up on a game at least a week in advance of it's release, you would have known exactly how the game was going to be, and NOT have "wasted your money", as you may believe. If you willingly purchase a game simply expecting a specific thing because of its title or the series prior, then it's only your fault for buying it.

No one forced you to spend your money unwillingly on a game you wouldn't have enjoyed, and there were TONS of reviews out for this game, including video reviews, where you get the chance to see actual gameplay (this is without mentioning the 34 minute video that's been released for who knows how long that showed a 34 minute video of a guy actually playing the game).

So, really, most of the people complaining are the people who saw the older pics from, like, 2 years ago and never looked back, holding their hopes on a pedestal because the truly believed that was going to be how it was gonna be released. Those who knew what they were getting and still bought it have really only themselves to blame for expecting more than what they got.


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#37DarkPit3P2Posted 11/27/2012 12:30:05 AM
Pikablu45 posted...
DarkPit3P2 posted...
Cause fanboys didn't get what they wanted. This game is fantastic, regardless of "negativity" from "PM die-hard fans". I like the change it has. Goombella's note was a nice reference.


This is so wrong! Just because we want some of the old mechanics does not make us negative seeking fanboys/girls. Have you not read the wiiking96 thread? Besides you're making a huge generalization, grouping together the fact that fans want some PM RPG elements returned and assuming we want an exact replica of TTYD or PM1. While we're fine with innovation, some basic elements of gameplay should be consistent with the entire series.

Look at it this way, Paper Mario classifies itself as an RPG! Final Fantasy is an RPG and all games (however much they changed FFXIII) still had a turn based battle system/experience with party members and an actual story. In fact, isn't this the basis of ALL RPGs (Dragon Quest, Tales of, Star Ocean, Valkyrie Profiles, Pokemon) though? Stop blaming fan expectations when it's the entire genre which uses this formula (in different ways albeit but they amount to the same thing).

Why change an RPG (when it classifies itself as one) into more and more of a platformer? They've already got their dozens of super mario games...so why change one of their other games into more of the same thing?

Also, compare the success of PM64 and TTYD with SPM. PM N64 and TTYD were doing well with that formula and so IS should have realised that SOMETHING was working. Innovation is FINE, but with SPM was doing less well and getting lower rated reviews, IS should have realised not to go further in de-RPGising PM because PM had a formula which WORKED while SPM NOT SO MUCH. They should have gone back to the original concept and then changed things from there again.

Also there is a false perception that Western gamers prefer platformers to RPGs and Japanese developers change their games to reflect that. However, they also don't realise that Western gamers actually do LOVE RPGs like World of Warcraft and Eldar Scrolls...


Hold on right there. Where did I say you guys wanted an replica of PM1/TTYD? Also you do know that there is different types of RPGs right? Why change the Rpg into more like platformer? Most of the Mario games have been Platformers. Honestly, I believe SPM is more platformer-ish than SS is. It is up to the creators to go with the formula they think right.
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#38Chaosmaster00Posted 11/27/2012 12:46:51 AM
klecser posted...
Chaosmaster00 posted...
ITT: A bunch of people who bought a game without doing their research first.

Seriously, if you guys did ANY looking up on a game at least a week in advance of it's release, you would have known exactly how the game was going to be, and NOT have "wasted your money", as you may believe. If you willingly purchase a game simply expecting a specific thing because of its title or the series prior, then it's only your fault for buying it.

No one forced you to spend your money unwillingly on a game you wouldn't have enjoyed, and there were TONS of reviews out for this game, including video reviews, where you get the chance to see actual gameplay (this is without mentioning the 34 minute video that's been released for who knows how long that showed a 34 minute video of a guy actually playing the game).

So, really, most of the people complaining are the people who saw the older pics from, like, 2 years ago and never looked back, holding their hopes on a pedestal because the truly believed that was going to be how it was gonna be released. Those who knew what they were getting and still bought it have really only themselves to blame for expecting more than what they got.


QFT. Gamefaqs attracts all the whiners.

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#39SinfullyvannilaPosted 11/27/2012 8:05:14 AM
TC, people don't judge the game by it's own merits.
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#40ManZeroPosted 11/27/2012 5:52:49 PM
Excalibur posted...
4. The music is mediocre at best. None of it is memorable, except the town theme (which is awful) and the Gooper Blooper fight.

Just no. This game does an awesome job of syncing music to what's actually happening in the game, be it the zone, events, stickies. All that, while the music is enjoyable to listen to.