Well I'll be, purist fanboys are truly annoying.

#31OtherSuperPhilPosted 11/25/2012 10:19:03 PM
Flamingcow99 posted...
By yelling at them you stooped down to their level.


Not really. The OP has experienced the "purist fanboys." The people who complain about the game without playing it have not experienced it, so no, he has not stooped anywhere near that level.
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#32Genius_SagePosted 11/25/2012 10:25:36 PM
Chaosmaster00 posted...
Genius_Sage posted...
Chaosmaster00 posted...
Worst thing to happen to the series? HA! At least they took a step back towards their roots with turn based battles, and implemented the sticker feature so that strategy and efficiency was more important than how long you've been playing or how many battles you've fought (with how the leveling system worked).


It's not just about that man. Notice how I said they New Super Mario Bro's the series? New Super Mario Bros has no soul, no uniqueness, cookie cut, no story at all (even galaxy had a minor one, even super mario world, yoshi's island, super mario bros 3. etc), no good dialogue (Paper Mario was full of it in its prime). You guy's defending this mess are just apologists. The battle system is one thing, a skeleton, but the flesh and spirit of the series isn't even here. I'll repeat, this game is a garbage Paper Mario title. But it is a decent Mario title.

This game definitely has more story in it than any of those titles. Of course, if it's not in front of your face all the time, it must not exist, hm? I'd say this game's story plays out fairly similar to that of the first Phantasy Star Online game (if anyone else understands my point about it being fairly subpar, UNLESS you read those terminals everywhere, and realize there was more to it than was originally presented).

No good dialogue? Did you even listen to half the required text? Talk to any NPC's as you progressed? Did any reading of the descriptions of Things in the museum? While I won't deny there is less of it, there is no way you can simply call this game off as having not any single good pieces of dialogue. You would either have to have not played it or are a definite troll.

This game may be a "garbage Paper Mario" in your opinion, but you have to remember, that's just your opinion. There are thousands of others out there who would be willing to say otherwise, as I know I'm not the only one who thinks thiswas a great game for what it's worth.


I'll give you that, there is some decent dialogue here in there, but its not too much compared to the past titles. It's kind of like the rubble of an ancient glorious city that was destroyed. Yeah all it does is make you remember how awesome the game could have been. It could have been so much better than what it is.

Those other Mario games I was not saying had better stories than this one. Compare them to New Super Mario Bros though and they have really good stories. While you compare this games story to the other Paper Mario titles and it pails in comparison.

To be honest I AM enjoying this game, I just don't think its a great Paper Mario title. I'm enjoying the enemies and the exploration. People don't play this series for that though. A lot of successful series know when and how to break the tradition.

Nintendo's problem is that they want to do what they want, when they want, how they want --- ALL the damn time. I don't agree that they should ALWAYS listen to fans but they hardly ever do compared to other companies. If they did something like tweaked the battle system AT LEAST left partners in, or added Luigi as the partner I'm sure this game would do even BETTER. Maybe have a poll on the website asking fans what they want to see for new partners. But they never want to open up to fans. Sakurai was the only one to attempt it.

How many damn times have people said they wanted a Starfox with full online multiplayer?
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#33SinfullyvannilaPosted 11/26/2012 8:51:10 AM(edited)
All fandoms are crap these days. Games are either perfect or horrible. I used to enjoy talking about video games, now it just makes me angry.
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#34ThatGuyZPosted 11/26/2012 8:50:34 AM
DragonSamurai posted...
And I thought the Final Fantasy and Tales of fans were bad. The Mario RPG fandom is by far much, much worse in comparison.


Mario, Sonic, Zelda, FF, and COD fans tend to be the most Broken Fanbases. Hell, because Mario has so many different series or spin-offs, it's hard to NOT place it in the top 10 Broken ones-for ****'s sake, look at this board-fanboy complaints and arse-kissing left and right; it's sad when the only reason someone comes on a board is to LAUGH at the amount of pointless bickering people make about a game they have NO control over creating, as if it's their sole duty to complain about what's "wrong" with the game and why [Insert Previous Title Here] was the Be-End-All game of the series.

Also, pretty much everything Sea said made the most sense.
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#35PictocheatPosted 11/26/2012 8:59:31 AM
I actually like the fact that this game's setting is closer to the NSMB series, but the fact that NSMB is already rather bland and unoriginal, and then comes this game, can leave a bitter taste in people's mouths. However, I believe Sticker Star put a much-needed spin on the Mushroom Kingdom that makes it stand out from the NSMB series.

Also, letting the fans dictate (at least somewhat) how Nintendo games are made could be a blessing or a disaster, since it seems we can barely agree on what we want. But whenever Nintendo does listen to us, they usually manage to mess it up somehow.
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#36SeamusOHasseyPosted 11/26/2012 9:04:10 AM
So here's how I see it:

People want change, so they complain about NSMB being unoriginal and too similar to each other.

Nintendo releases a Paper Mario that's different from previous titles and not another carbon copy, and people complain still.

If you ask me, I'd say they have no freaking clue what they want.
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#37SinfullyvannilaPosted 11/26/2012 9:11:32 AM(edited)
I honestly think developers are better off not taking suggestions from fans. For one thing, if they are making the game the way they want to make it, they know exactly what they want out of it. If they listen to fans, they only have an idea of what any issue they bring up, and they can only guess whether or not their implementation of a fan's idea will be satisfactory.

Secondly fans are too unstable and too passionate to be taken seriously.

Lastly, there are always different, even conflicting, factions in fandoms.
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#38Tayo2345Posted 11/26/2012 9:16:10 AM
SeamusOHassey posted...
So here's how I see it:

People want change, so they complain about NSMB being unoriginal and too similar to each other.

Nintendo releases a Paper Mario that's different from previous titles and not another carbon copy, and people complain still.

If you ask me, I'd say they have no freaking clue what they want.


See, the problem is, there was nothing wrong with the PM64/TTYD battle system. That's what a lot of people loved about the games.

This game has that almost completely torn away, along with partners, leaving you with what is basically a no-encounter, Mario-only, item-only run, and just the idea of doing that makes a lot of people's skin crawl...
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#39ThatGuyZPosted 11/26/2012 9:28:44 AM
Tayo2345 posted...
SeamusOHassey posted...
So here's how I see it:

People want change, so they complain about NSMB being unoriginal and too similar to each other.

Nintendo releases a Paper Mario that's different from previous titles and not another carbon copy, and people complain still.

If you ask me, I'd say they have no freaking clue what they want.


See, the problem is, there was nothing wrong with the PM64/TTYD battle system. That's what a lot of people loved about the games.

This game has that almost completely torn away, along with partners, leaving you with what is basically a no-encounter, Mario-only, item-only run, and just the idea of doing that makes a lot of people's skin crawl...


It's just something different entirely. Even if the Sticker System wasn't this...broken, and actually was a very great implementation to the series, fans would've still whined and complained it being, "too different".

The point is, even if something is loved, it will be hated, and there will be purists who will cry foul towards anything done to the series, even if it's a well-deserved change.
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#40klecserPosted 11/26/2012 10:13:25 AM(edited)
bidas100 posted...


Yeah, you should have.


Actually, now I think I'll stick around. I'll use this as an opportunity to help to condition gamers with unrealistic expectations.

Here we go:

The problem isn't the game. The problem is the overblown expectations you set up for it. This isn't Nintendo's fault. Its your fault for lacking any kind of perspective on your gaming hobby. Gamers that actually grow up realize that companies make games for a wide audience...not just themselves. For a group of people that usually have above average intelligence gamers sure don't have any wisdom or self reflection about their hobby experience.

The people on this board are a perfect example of why "gamers" as a group of people can't get any traction with other groups. Many of you are so wrapped up in the hobby that you can't see that a line exists between what you like and what others like and that fact is ok. Instead, you view what others like as a personal affront to you. Its sad.

If you don't care for the mechanics in PMSS, that's fine. Say so and be done with it. But stop acting like its a "bad" game, just because you don't care for the design choices. It really isn't a bad game. Nintendo just didn't make a game for you personally, and you're butt hurt about the unrealistic expectation.