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                          + WITH RELOCATION WALKTHROUGH
                    + WITH OWNER MODE OFF SEASON WALKTHROUGH

                   Madden NFL 2004 Owner mode logo glitch FAQ
                                   VERSION 3.0
                      For Playstation 2 (tm), GameCube (tm)
                                  and X box (tm)
                         submitted on August 29th, 2003
                         by ElasTic RealiTy  (Greg Hall)
                         email @ aries_seven@hotmail.com


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                             Disclaimer / Legal Mumbo



This FAQ was created for personal use only. All trademarks and copyrights
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copyright 2003 Greg Hall

This may be not be reproduced under any circumstances except for personal,
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                                Introduction/About

This FAQ is to expose various glitches and cheats in owner mode, with most of
the FAQ space going towards the Logo Glitch.

The NFL Logo glitch allows users to relocate their team and keep or change
their respective NFL Logo.

Some NFL logos do not work properly using this glitch. I have included a
section below that contains what happens to every team logo when you use this
Logo Glitch FAQ. I also included recommendations on what is best to use for
every team. (usually what looks the best)

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                                      Credit

I give credit to Flash72 and exoin for exposing the NFL Logo glitch. This find
is priceless. It makes the game so much more valuable. Thank you both.

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Table of Contents

PART I - OWNER MODE NFL LOGO GLITCH
w/ relocation & off season owner mode walkthrough

1. Be In Owner Mode
2. Off Season Owner Mode
3. Relocating
4. Relocation Main Menu
5. Team By Team Breakdown (including recommendations)


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<><><><><><><><><><><><>PART I - OWNER MODE NFL LOGO GLITCH<><><><><><><><><><><>
<><><><><><><><>w/ relocation & off season owner mode walkthrough<><><><><><><><>


1. Be In Owner Mode

a) In order to move your team to a different city, and keep a NFL logo, you must
be in OWNER MODE and relocate.

b) After you complete season 1, right after the Pro Bowl, you will be prompted
to go to off season owner mode. Scroll to YES, and hit the (X) button to
advance to off season owner mode.

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2. Off Season Owner Mode

a) Off season owner mode menu
OFF SEASON MENU
STAFFING
SET PRICES
STADIUM
INFORMATION
MY MADDEN

b) The first thing to do is go under MY MADDEN, and save your franchise.

c) Go to INFORMATION, and peak at your owner rating located at the bottom of
the INFORMATION menu. Ratings range from expert to very poor.

d) Now go to STAFFING.
STAFFING MENU
SIGN COACH
COACHING STAFF
TRAINING STAFF
COACH PROGRESSION
CHANGE OWNERS

Go to SIGN COACH first, check out your coaching needs. If you need to sign a
specific coach, it will be highlighted in red. If you wish to promote a coach
instead of hiring, or rehiring another coach, then go to COACHING STAFF.

HEAD COACH TIP: Defense oriented = Kiffin, Offense oriented = Kubiak

After you signed or resigned your coaches, go to TRAINING STAFF. Here you
will find staffing to help you prevent injuries for your players, and be able
to help them recover faster. Make sure to sign the best possible staff.

e) Now go to SET PRICES.

For TICKETS, MERCHANDISE, and PARKING, set prices to the last green horizontal
arrow. For CONCESSIONS set to second to last green horizontal arrow. Keep
ADVERTISING at 0 until the regular season starts.

f) Go to MY MADDEN and save your franchise again.

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3. Relocating

a) Go to STADIUM located in the off season owner mode menu.

b) Scroll down to RELOCATE on the STADIUM menu and hit the (X) button.
On the next screen hit the (X) button under other cities. More than likely,
(unless your team is doing very poorly) no city is quite ready to contribute
large sums of money towards a move to their city. You will get a warning
stating that before you proceed further. Proceed!

c) On the next screen you will find 60 different cities that are available for
your team to relocate to. You will see how interested the cities are in
getting a team, and the population of each city. For info, the announcers do
say the names of each city in the game.

Cities with highest desire:

Los Angeles 99
Mexico City 98
Boston 95
Richmond 90
Lincoln 90

Obviously, the less desire a city has for a team, the more money your team
has to contribute towards the move.
(some financial examples are posted in the next section, see SECURE FUNDS)

d) Once you select a city, a new page will show you even more information
about the city you are about to relocate to. Including population growth
changes and average income. Scroll to YES and hit the (X) button to proceed
to the RELOCATION MAIN MENU.

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4. RELOCATION MAIN MENU

a) This is where things matter!

b) On the RELOCATION MAIN MENU, you will see seven different items that will
need your attention. In order for the NFL LOGO GLITCH to work, please follow
the exact order listed below.

Step 1 - Select location (you will see the city you selected here so move
to step 2)

Step 2 - Design stadium - within this menu, you might get confused, but just
realize, it will be using your old team's colors and logo here. Do not worry.
If you plan to change your team colors and/or logo, you don't do it here
anyway. Complete everything you want in here now, and move on to step 3 by
pressing continue >.

Step 3 - Secure funds - here is where you shell out your money to move the
team. Follow these steps.

a) Scroll down to relocation package contribution. Now toggle once to the left.
This will allow you the maximum contribution amount.
b) Don't use PSLs.
c) Scroll up to team contribution and fill the bar until it turns green. This
is the minimum amount you will have to pay to move your team.

Financial Examples

Team Desire (99) - City (Los Angeles) - Team Contribution ($60 mil)
Team Desire (98) - City (Mexico City) - Team Contribution ($62 mil)
Team Desire (82) - City   (Orlando)   - Team Contribution ($70 mil)
Team Desire (61) - City   (Portland)  - Team Contribution ($99 mil)
Team Desire  (7) - City   (Bismark)   - Team Contribution($146 mil)			

d) Once you are done here press continue > and on to step 4.

Step 4 - Submit Proposal

!!! Warning, there is no turning back after this point. Also, make sure the
approval bar in step 3 is in the green. You can get denied! If it's in the
green, you will be approved and on to step 5.

Step 5 - Change Nickname

Here, you select the primary and secondary colors that you want to use for your
new and improved team. If you are just changing cities, and want to keep your
usual colors, they will already be there.
Please note, that if you do change your colors, your new stadium and uniforms
will reflect those colors, but NOT YOUR CHEERLEADERS.
Also, it is best to use all CAPS when selecting your team's abbreviation.

After you have selected you new nickname, colors etc.... it is time to select
a GENERIC LOGO. YES, A GENERIC LOGO. For the GLITCH TO WORK, you MUST do this.
To make it easy, just select the first one, which is the EA SPORTS LOGO.
Now press continue > and on to step 6.

Step 6 - Change Uniform

First things first. On Helmet, toggle down to STRIPE TYPE. Here is where you
make the logo pop up. You can select single stripe w/logo, short stripe w/logo,
triple stripe w/logo.... or even just logo. MAKE SURE you have a logo on for
both home and away uniforms.
Once you have created your new uniforms, and made sure you see the EA Sports
logo on both your home and away uniforms, press continue > and go to STEP 5.
YES, back to step 5.

Step 5 - Change Nickname

Now, the only thing you touch here is the LOGO part. Yes, this is where you
trade in that EA SPORTS LOGO for an NFL or Historic NFL LOGO. Once you have
selected your logo, press continue > and go directly to STEP 7!

Step 7 - Finalize

Hit the (X) button to finalize, and you are done! Providing you didn't go back
into step 6, all should be fine.

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5. Team by Team Breakdown (plus recommendations)

As stated above, not every team's logo work perfectly with this glitch. So here
is the team by team breakdown, including historic and NFL Europe logos.

Bears - One logo is backwards, size is normal.

recommendation - Use a generic PAW, instead of the C, which is for the city you
abandoned hehe

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Bengals - Picture of the Bengals head is the logo on the helmet instead of the
usual stripes.
Historic Bengals - A picture of the historic Bengals helmet is the logo on the
helmet, instead of the word BENGALS.

recommendation - Go for the Bengal head, it actually looks really good with a
white helmet with short black stripes.

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Bills - Logo is correct but appears a bit smaller than normal. Looks decent.
Historic Bills - Perfect! Looks Great.

recommendation - Historic Bills logo!

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Broncos - Logo appears smaller. Looks decent.
Historic Broncos - One Logo is Backwards.

recommendation - Use the regular logo, small but OK.

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Browns - Browns have no logo on their helmet to begin with.
Historic Browns - You get the little guy on the 50 yard line

recommendation - The little guy looks pretty cool.

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Bucs - Logo might just be a bit smaller, but not much. Looks good.
Historic Bucs - Near perfect

recommendation - I'd go for the newer logo, still looks sharp.

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Cardinals - About twice as small as it should be.

recommendation - The generic Cardinal looks better, just keep the same colors.

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Chargers - Picture of helmet appears on your helmet.
Historic Chargers - AWESOME! The shield is on the helmet.

recommendations - The Chargers shield looks awesome, and you get it at midfield
too. You can make this one of the best uniforms in the game.

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Chiefs - One logo has the KC backwards.
Original Chiefs - One logo Backwards.

recommendation - Use the Generic Native Logo, or rename.

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Colts - Near Perfect.
Historic Colts - Same.

recommendation - Newer Colts has better logo at midfield.

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Cowboys - Near Perfect.
Historic Cowboys - Got the horse, but looks bad.

recommendation - Plenty to chose from here, there are 2 Generic Stars even.
Just don't get the horse.

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Dolphins - Perfect
Historic Dolphics - Awesome!

recommendation - Historic Dolphins all the way, midfield looks great.

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Eagles - Eagle head, and backwards.
Historic Eagles - The whole eagle is on there, looks good.

recommendation - Historic is the only way to go here.

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Falcons - Perfect
Historic Falcons - A size smaller, but looks cool that way.

recommendation - Toss up! Both are good!

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49ers - One logo has SF backwards
Historic 49ers - same : (

recommendation - Generic Logos (Miner,Worker,Convict,Skull,Ravager)

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Giants - One logo backwards
Historic Giants #1 - same
Historic Giants #2 - same

recommendation - Generic Logos (Monster,Plunderer,Shield)

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Jaguars - Perfect

recommendation - USE IT!

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Jets - One logo backwards
Historic Jets #1 - same
Historic Jets #2 - same

recommendation - Generic Logos (Fly,Plane,Dynamo) or rename

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Lions - Smaller, but ok
Historic Lions - Lions didn't have a logo way back when.

recommendation - Use the regular logo.

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Packers - One logo backwards
Historic Packers - looks cool, got the guy on there.

recommendation - Historic Packers is good enough.

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Panthers - Smaller, looks bad.

recommendation - rename to Tigers, that logo is cool.

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Patriots - Smaller, but looks good.
Historic Patriots - Doesn't look as good as I remembered it.

recommendation - new PATS!

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Raiders - Perfect

recommendation - Keep the Silver and Black alive!

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Rams - Picture of helmet on helmet
Historic Rams #1 - The blue and white ram turns out great, ram head!
Historic Rams #2 - Picture of helmet on helmet.

recommendation - Use the blue and white ram head on a goldish/yellow helmet.

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Ravens - Logo smaller, looks decent.

recommendation - Purple and white Ottawa Sugar Buzz?

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Redskins - Perfect

recommendation - Hail to the Redskins!!!

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Saints - just a size smaller maybe, and placement looks strange.

recommendation - still decent enough to use.

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Seahawks - twice as small
Historic Seahawks - also small, but a little bigger.

recommendation - Historic I suppose.

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Steelers - Logo kinda big on both sides, placement isn't the best.

recommendation - Keep the steel curtain alive?

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Texans - one logo backwards
Original Texans - same

recommendation - Generic Logos (Desperado or Bandit)

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Titans - Smaller, looks decent

recommendation - good enough to use.

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Vikings - Not just the horn, but the whole viking is on there, looks good.

recommendation - keep em purple.

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Oilers - Looks great
Oilers #2 - Looks awesome

recommendation - Both are best bets, if you want blue use #1, red white and
blue use #2.

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AFC & NFC - Both just a size small but ok.

recommendation - You could use these logos with cities that start with A or N.

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Admirals - little smaller, looks decent.

recommendation - there are better euro logos to use.
If you do use it, make sure to take the logo off at midfield, as it is the
NFL Europe Logo.

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Claymores - might be a bit smaller, looks decent.

recommendation - you get the sword at midfield too.

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Dragons - looks good.

recommendation - again, take the logo off at midfield, as it is the europe
league logo.

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Fire - twice as small

recommendation - don't use it.

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Galaxy - looks good.

recommendation - midfield europe again. This logo rocks though.

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Thunder - looks good.

recommendation - midfield europe again. This might be the best euro logo.

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Best Generic - Sugar Buzz, Comet, Tiger

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last updated on August 29th, 2003