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           Mission Flight Stick Compatibility Faq
                        Version 1
                      By: Billkwando
                          7/26/01
                    Billkwando@yahoo.com
      
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    First off, this is my first faq. Don't let that
    deter you however, because the information I have
    to convey unto you is pretty straightforward, and
    hard to screw up. I decided to write this faq
    last night, because I've owned a pair of mission
    sticks for about 6 months, and was always under
    the impression that none of my titles were
    compatible with it. Wrong. I originally got this
    impression because the Saturn faqs and pages I
    found either didn't mention the Mission Stick, or
    did, but only knew of about 3 titles that worked
    with it (sometimes all of which were some kind of
    Panzer Dragoon, hehehe). So, being the
    industrious sort of fellow I am, I whipped out
    the trusty mission stick, and after an hour or so
    of steady disc switching and button pouning, I
    have a reasonably-sized list of titles with which
    to try out your mission stick. That being
    said.....whew! you still with me? On to the
    info!!
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    What's Here:
    1. What IS a Mission Flight Stick?
    2. Compatible titles (by no means a complete
    list)
    3. How do I know if my game is MFS compatible? 
    4. Will my Nights (3D Analog) controller work
    with MFS compatible games and vice-versa?
    
    What's missing:
    5. What the heck is this thumb wheel for??
    6. The remaining, but as yet unlisted, compatible
    games.
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    1. What IS the Mission Flight Stick?
    
    The MFS is a flight stick, very similar to the
    kind used with a PC, having a trigger (the A
    button), two thumb buttons* (marked B and C
    respectively), and a thumb wheel (of
    indeterminate use). It is a two piece design, the
    stick having the standard square-base, and larger
    base that sits next to it, attached by a heavy
    plastic clip underneath. The larger base has all
    of the buttons on it (A,B,C,X,Y,Z,L,R,and Start,
    as well as turbo settings for each) and is very
    similar in button layout to the Virtua Stick. The
    interesting thing to note is that the stick can
    be unclipped, and reclipped to either side for
    left or right handed use. Way to go Sega! Also,
    theres a port on the bottom for a "sub control"
    right next to where the stick plugs in (labeled
    "main control"). This is probably where they
    intended to add footpedals of some sort, and
    would be an ideal thing for some hardware hacker
    to find the pinout for, so that we could wire up
    our own pedals (if anyone reading this knows
    about tht sorta thing, please let me know). Also,
    the port is a simple 9 pin plug, like the ones
    used for Genesis and Atari controllers, so
    there's no worries  about having to destroy
    another peripheral to find a dedicated plug. Just
    cruise on down to Radio Shack. All in all, the
    MFS is a really great controller IF you like
    flight sticks, and can usually be picked up
    pretty cheap, because of it's relative
    unpopularity. It's a sturdy, heavy, well-built
    controller, which could easily be used to stun a
    burglar and still fly straight. It also works
    great when used on a table or on your lap.
    
    * Hilariously enough, I overlooked the B and C
    buttons on the stick for months, thinking that
    the WHEEL was B and C. Only after I accidentally
    hit B, heard the clicking sound, and saw missles
    fly did I realize where the buttons were actually
    located. It's such a subtle and comfortable
    design that you literally don't notice that
    they're there!! 
    
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    IMPORTANT NOTE!!
    TWO MISSION STICKS DOES NOT A TWIN STICK MAKE!!
    
    What do I mean? You know what I mean... Well, if
    you're the one guy who doesn't, I mean that you
    can't take two mission sticks, remove the stick
    from one, hook it to the base of the other
    (opposite the already attached stick), plug it
    into the sub controller, and use it as a twin
    stick for Virtua On. Though it looks cool, the
    only thing it would be useful for is maybe to
    stun two burglars, or perhaps one extra-large
    one. It just doesn't work.... Don't take my word
    for it though, I certainly didn't when the guy at
    Funcoland said it to me. Unfortunately, he was
    right. (however he didn't have the inside track
    on it's home defense uses, so nyaahh!!)
    
    It's also notable that the Total Control adaptor
    for using Saturn controllers on Dreamcast won't
    work for the MFS, because they say it can't do
    analog controllers.
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    2. Compatible titles:
    NOTE: For everyone's conveinience, after testing
    basically every one of my Saturn games with the
    MFS, any that worked I also tested with the
    Nights controller. Games that can use the Nights
    controllers will be marked with a (N) at the end.
    Games that function but have button configuration
    or compatibility problems will be listed with a
    *, followed by a description of the problem.
    Problems with the Nights controller will be
    marked with (N*), followed by a description. This
    list ONLY covers games that also work with MFS.
    Also, simply because a game works with the MFS
    doesn't mean that it's neccessarily BETTER than
    using the thumbpad, or that the game is any good
    at all, so please don't go out and buy Scorcher
    on my account. It's just a list of what works. If
    anyone has a MFS compatible game that isn't on
    this list, please let me know at
    billkwando@yahoo.com If any one of these seems to
    be a mistake please let me know, but I personally
    checked all but 3 of the games. I didn't bother
    checking any fighting games, or platform games,
    because I didn't see the point. However, if you
    have one you'd like to add to the list feel free
    to email me.
    
    Afterburner 2(N) (Sega Ages Vol. 1 compilation
    disc) 
    Black Fire(N?)
    Congo(N?)
    Creature Shock* (No custom config, thus the
    trigger is thurst)
    Cyber Speedway*(N) (No config, but very playable)
    Daytona CE*(N=Flawless) (MFS control is odd on
    this one, can't figure out how to gas or brake)
    Die Hard Trilogy(N)
    Enemy Zero(N)
    Ghen War (A VERY special case, in that it seems
    to detect the mission stick. Though it has a
    fixed configuration with all the wrong buttons
    assigned when you look at the "View Controls"
    screen, it magically remaps all the buttons to
    just where you'd want them when you play!)
    Hang On GP(N*) (GP with the 3D pad is awful)
    Need For Speed(N?)
    Off World Interceptor Extreme
    Panzer Dragoon(N?)
    Panzer Dragoon II Zwei(N?) (more to research)
    Robotica* (awkward config but playable)
    Road Rash(N?) 
    Scorcher (if you already own this, it sucks
    slightly less with the MFS.)
    Sega Ages Vol. 1(N) (not sure about the vol.
    number but the disc contained Afterburner 2,
    Space Harrier, and Outrun. It sometimes came
    packaged with the MFS) 
    Sega Rally(K=Flawless)
    Shockwave Assault(N?)
    Solar Eclipse (my personal fave MFS game,
    followed closely by Ghen War)
    Sonic 3D Blast(N=Flawless)
    Soviet Strike(N)
    Space Harrier(N) (See Sega Ages above)
    Spot Goes To Hollywood* (works good but slow)
    Virtua Cop* (Why?? The aim is reversed and you
    cant' reload. Enjoy.=)
    Wing Arms(N?)
    World Series Baseball (ALL YOUR BASEBALL ARE
    BELONG TO US. Sorry... you get a little crazy
    after doing this for half the night. Move 'Faq',
    for great justice!)
    
    Games marked with "N?" I don't own, except for
    Road Rash, which I just plain forgot.
    
    27 games! Not bad for a controller that only
    seemed to have 3 or 4... If you can add any to
    the list please email me.
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    3. How do I know if my game is MFS compatible?
    
    Simple. If the game doesn't acknowledge the start
    button, it won't play. No controller swapping
    that I've tried will help, but if you have better
    luck let me know. If the start button works, it's
    99% likely that it will play, but at least 1 game
    (Tunnel B1) acknowledged the start button, then
    game me an "unsupported controller, please
    remove" message, but that's the only one so far.
    It seems to be a general rule of thumb that any
    of the games that work for the steering wheel
    (Arcade Racer?) will work with the mission stick,
    but that's only with what I've tried. Individual
    results may vary.
    ===================
    
    4. Will my Nights controller work with my MFS
    compatible games and vice versa? 
    
    If it's not on the list you'll have to try it and
    let me know, but so far it seems that Crystal
    Dynamics games don't like the Nights controller
    as a rule.
    
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    What's Missing:
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    5. What the heck is this thumbwheel for??
    
    Or at least that's what I want to know. The thumb
    wheel is a strange beast, not registering on any
    of the games I remembered to try it on (not that
    many really). I've wiggled it aplenty, yet it
    remains an enigma... Any ideas folks? I suspect
    it's intended to be an analog L and R button
    thing, but I don't know yet. It bothers me.
    Hehehe...
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    6. The remaining, but as yet listed, compatible
    games?
    
    I only own the aformentioned games, so as I've
    *subliminally* hinted, I'd like you to email me
    with any that I don't have listed.
    billkwando@yahoo.com Subtle, huh?
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    Final Notes:
    
    This is by no means a complete faq (or perhaps
    not a faq at all? If someone writes a faq that
    nobody asked for in the woods does it make a
    sound? These are the eternal questions.....at
    7:15am after no sleep anyway...) so if you have
    any questions, comments, suggestion, or laundry
    you'd like to send my way, feel free. I'm sure
    you can find my email address somewhere.
    
    Thank you for flying Air Saturn! YOU KNOW WHAT
    YOU DOING!
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    About me:
    My name is Bill, I own a buncha old systems, I'm
    a Neo Geo fanatic, and my sign is virgo. I like
    long walks to the arcade and snuggling with
    Herzog Zwei. I run a Neo Geo site called Under
    The Neo Geo Moon. Check it out at:
    http://welcome.to/undertheneogeomoon
    http://www.undertheneogeomoon.com
    
    "If you believe you're up against a swordsman who
    is proficient in the Way, you will lose."
                                -Miyamoto Musashi
    
    ....until the next time someone cries out
    "SOMEBODY SET UP US THE FAQ!!"....
    
    copyright 2001 Bill Smallwood
    billkwando@yahoo.com
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