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|WINNING ELEVEN 8 / PRO EVOLUTION SOCCER 4|
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|    MASTER LEAGUE TEAM TRAINING GUIDE    |
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-> History
-> 30/9/04 - Started this FAQ and did the growth trends
-> 30/9/04 - Submitted to GFAQs
-> 26/10/04 - Updated several chart's players, added allowed sites to
              have my guide. (www.neoseekers.com and www.weitalia.net)
-> 15/12/02 - Corrected several mistakes, added allowed sites to have
              have my guide. (www.proevosverige.com).  Also added a 
              F.A.Q. section.

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|[#0] Table of Contents|
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[#0]  Table of Contents
[#1]  Introduction
[#2]  Growth Trends
[#3]  Experience points
[#4]  Off Season Training
[#5]  Credits + What I would like..
[#6]  Boring Old Copyrights stuff
[#7]  Frequently Asked Questions
[#8]  Contact me...

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|[#1]  Introduction|
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In WE8/PES4 (I'll refer it as WE8 for now on) in Master League (ML) 
mode some of your players are able to improve depending on their growth
chart.  Usually, it's the youngsters, but players like Maldini have a 
long term growth.  Sometimes, you can exceed the growth chart, and this
is when your player gets awards like MVP/Top Scorer or assister, and 
such. We'll start with Growth trends...

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|[#2] Growth Trends|
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I'll keep it simple.  There are 3 types of growth trends, but they vary 
a bit for each player. (Please bare with the ASCII charts).


=> (i) Short-Term Players


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This is a early growth type of player.  They gain a LOT of experience 
points so it would be wise to put them as substitutes.  Even if they a 6
as their match point, they would still gain a lot of experience,
therefore there's no need to actually play them for the whole match.
They are, as well the easiest players to train.  I'll call them 
"Short-Term players" (STP).

--> Good Examples of players with this kind of chart

GK: Cech/Casillas
CB: Vanden Borre
SB: Clichy
SW: [Credits to be given to someone who can supply me with a player]
DMF: Barreto
CMF: Cesc Fabregas
SMF: Kaabi/James Milner
OMF: Diego/Ruud Gullit
WF: C.Ronaldo
CF: Tevez/Martins

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=> (ii) The Norm

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This is the normal growth speed.  It's lies somewhat in the middle, or 
near the middle.  Like STPs, this is quite similar, you gain quite a 
lot of experience and there is not a need to put the player on the 
starting Eleven.  The best way to exceed the chart is to consistently 
get 7.0+ for your player score per match, and get as many awards as 
possible. Another method would be, loaning the player to another club, 
and retrieve him back later when his stats are usable. These players 
usually die at around 28 years old.

--> Good Examples of players with this kind of chart

GK: Buffon
CB: Nesta/Hyypia
SB: Roberto Carlos.
SW: Beckenbauer
DMF: [Credits to be given to someone who can supply me with a player]
CMF: Vieira/Sneijder
SMF: Beckham
OMF: Kaka/Aimar/Ronaldinho
WF: Vincente (he isn't a WF, but he is capable of playing there)
CF: Shevchenko/Ronaldo

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=> (iii) Long-Term Players (LTP)

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Heck, these take FOREVER to train.  Of course, it's hard like hell.  
It takes lots and lots of effort to exceed the actual curve. Anyway, 
I highly suggest that you actually loan them for a few seasons until 
they're useful enough for your squad.  I had a bad time training 
Maldini at 17, Well, he got MVP that year, so his curve is now above 
the actual thing for a 18 year old, which is superb. These players 
stats can last until 38-40 or so.  Even so, they'll most likely leave
at around 36, so.. You choose. =P

--> Good Examples of players with this kind of chart

GK: Cesar Sanchez
CB: Stam/Maldini
SB: Cafu
SW: [Credits to be given to someone who can supply me with a player]
DMF: Davids
CMF: Zidane
SMF: Luis Figo (this one dies at around 33... but his graph looks LTP)
OMF: Nedved/Rai
WF: Giggs
CF: Weah/Roberto Baggio

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Well, the important thing is: Buy the right players.  Players who have
great potential are USUALLY at around 700-1000.  STPs who have great 
potential won't even cost up to 700.  Well, they don't last long
enough, do they?

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=> Players with OMG growth curves:

Okay, most of this will be either classic players or hidden ones, be
prepared.  If you don't want to use them, don't even bother with this
part.

--> Di Stefano (Okay, I have to admit that his curve is insane.  it's 
over the actual graph paper.)
--> Franz Beckenbauer (He is pretty good, as long as he gets played
regularly as the starting elevens.  I got his over the his normal 
curve by quite a square.)
--> Ruud Gullit (He is a quick growing player.  Take a short time to
grow and he'll be playing superbly for 7 years.  After 30~, his stats
will drop VERY rapidly.  Check the section on Off-Season training for
information on how to slow down this stat decrease.)

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=> Stats that never drop. Never will.

Yep.  There are such stats which will never drop regardless of age.
Konami emphasizes the fact that technique of a player will never 
decrease, as for any sport.  Anyway the following stats will NEVER
decrease, no matter what age is the player.

--> Shoot Technique
--> Technique
--> Offense
--> Defense
--> Weaker Foot ability
--> Weaker Foot frequency
--> Curve
--> Stamina

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|[#3]  Experience points|
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Each position increases different stats of a player... if you want an
all-rounded player, let him play all different positions.  I suppose
that it wouldn't work, but it's just a thought!  On with the guide..

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->Positions and their individual attributes:

GK:

=> Stats
--> Goal Keeping Skill (No duh -_-;)
--> Response
--> Body Balance
--> Height
--> Competition Stability
--> Defense

=> Special Abilities
--> 1 v 1 keeping
--> PK Keeping
--> Feedkick

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CB:

=> Stats
--> Body Balance
--> Height
--> Defense
--> Header
--> Response
--> Stamina

=>Special Abilities
--> Marking
--> DF line commander

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SB/SMF:

=> Stats
--> Top Speed
--> Acceleration
--> Dribble Accuracy
--> Long pass Accuracy
--> Long pass Speed
--> Stamina

=> Special Ability
--> Side Player
--> Shadow Striking

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DMF/CMF:

=> Stats
--> Stamina
--> Body Balance
--> Defense
--> Jump
--> Short Pass Accuracy
--> Technique

=> Special Ability
--> Commander

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OMG:

=> Stats
--> Short Pass Accuracy
--> Long Pass Accuracy
--> Shoot Accuracy
--> Dribble Accuracy
--> Technique
--> Offense

=> Special Ability
--> Commander
--> Shadow Striking
--> Center player

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CF:

=> Stats
--> Shoot Accuracy
--> Shoot Technique
--> Top Speed
--> Acceleration
--> Response
--> Technique

=> Special Ability
--> Striker
--> 1 v 1 Shooting
--> Center player
--> Point Snatch

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According to MY experiences, when you score goals, most of the 
experience goes to Shoot technique, don't know if the theory is true 
though.

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|[#4]  Off Season training|
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I suppose you do know that players' stats decrease as they grow.  One 
way to reduce the speed of it happening is:  Off Season training.

There are 9 different trainings.  5 team trainings and 4 individual 
ones.  They are...

=> Team
--> Right Corner Kick
--> Left Corner Kick
--> Short Pass
--> Attacking
--> Snatch the Ball

=> Individual
--> Shooting
--> Dribble
--> Long Pass
--> Freekick

They will each boost a different stat for a player regardless of age.
This is brilliant for us so we can try and slow down the reduction 
rate. Of course it has its downsides, one being: Time Consuming.  
Anyway, it's worth your time... if you're a WE/PES fan.

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Right Corner Kick:

-> Header
-> Curve
-> Stamina

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Left Corner Kick:

-> Header
-> Curve
-> Stamina

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Short Pass

-> Stamina
-> Short Pass Accuracy
-> Short Pass Speed

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Attacking:

-> Offense
-> Stamina

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Snatch the Ball:

-> Defense
-> Stamina
-> Teamwork

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Shooting:
-> Stamina
-> Shoot power
-> Shoot Accuracy

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Dribble:
-> Dribble Accuracy
-> Dribble Speed
-> Stamina

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Long Pass:
-> Long Pass Accuracy
-> Long Pass Speed
-> Stamina

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Freekick:
-> Stamina
-> Freekick Accuracy

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Do what you need to your players, e.g. when Ronaldo's passing starts 
to fail you, let him practice attacking.

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|[#5]  Credits + What I would like..|
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Okay.  First of all, thanks to myself.  Since it's my work.  All alone.

Credits:
Mastermind Chaud (MMC) - Need I say more?
CJayC and GameFAQs.com - Need I say more?
GameWAVE of Hong Kong - Nice guides they have there, extracted a bit of 
info from there.  Thanks!
Konami and Sony - For creating Winning Eleven Series (Pro Evo) and the 
Play Station 2 respectively.

People who have contributed player informations:

Matthew Sorokoput - Pavel Nedved
cmhuffmann@sbcglobal.net - Rai
b_baxter@elitemail.org - James Milner

Also, special thanks to:

Derfel and Leo from weitalia.net and neoseeker.com respectively.  I am
glad they chose my FAQ and I am glad that they asked for it.  Once again
it's my first time doing a solo FAQ, I am really happy to have someone
posting it elsewhere. Thanks again.


What I would like:
Erm, if you've read the WHOLE guide, I would like some players for 
respective growth charts.  I've only played 6 seasons or so, so I have
limited knowledge on players.  We all buy different people, so 
hopefully I'll get more into the list.  Check Contact Me for my 
e-mail address.

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|[#6] Boring Old Copyright Stuff|
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This FAQ/Guide belongs ONLY to Mastermind Chaud (MMC) or Martin Lee in
Real life.  You know you don't want people to steal your work, so don't
steal mine.

If you would like to use it, ask.  Send me a E-mail in advance, got my
permission, then you use it.  And please specify the use.  If you would
like to host it, get my permission, host it, then link me to it so I
know you haven't been changing it.  I say here:

"THIS GUIDE SHOULD ONLY BE POSTED ON

1. www.gamefaqs.com
2. www.neoseeker.com
3. www.weitalia.net
4. www.proevosverige.com

If I find anyone else using my work, you're be screwdrivered. Dead 
serious."

On the nice bit, you're free to save one copy of this on your hard disk
but yet again, you may NOT alter the info.

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|[#7] Frequently Asked Questions|
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I've been recieving tons and tons of the same question recently, so I
might as well tell the answer to the question(s) right here.

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Que: Where are the secret players?  Where?  I've bought them from the
     WE-Shop/PES-Shop!  Where did they go!?

Ans: On average, I get 1 of this particular question in 2 days.  The
     Answer to this question is: Play a full season.

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Que: I heard that there are players would -randomly- appear after a 
     few season! Is that true? Or is my buddy lying? I've played 20
     seasons and there isn't anyone I am unfamiliar with!

Ans: Yes, your buddy is entirely correct.  There are secret players.
     The only player I've met is M.Rebecchi and Yamada.  I've yet to 
     have met the others myself.

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Que: I want a full list of player name translations, can you send me a
     copy?

Ans: No.  I am sorry but I can't help you.  My game came translated.
     I bought a save which did all the translations for me and I don't
     know a site with all the player names listed.  Sorry.

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|[#8] Contact Me...|
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Simple stuff ahead.  Don't Spam, don't sign me up for useless things.
Oh, and don't ask for GMail invites, there is a board on GameFAQs.com
all about GMail invites, go there instead:

e-mail: protommc@gmail.com
AIM: GaiaBusterBlader

I suppose I don't need a telephone number!  Anyway, thanks for reading,
don't flame me on e-mails, I'd prefer nice notes.

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