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                                    The New Ken Guide for Sf3 3rd Impact.
                                    By Eric Chou
                                    Email:  scuddman2@attbi.com
    If you're a beginner, you probably could learn 
    a lot more from my Ryu faq, regardless of the fact that it is
    completely outdated.  Why a faq anyways?  Why not?  
    You'd be surprised what you can do with him that people
    don't know about.
    I recommend using Courier New 10 point font to view this faq, or
    use a word processor with word wrap (it'll look funny, but you can read 
    I wonder if people even read this.  Oh well, it's a good reference 
    source for my own use.
    Last Updated 03/09/2002
    This will be my final update.  
    I've only updated stuff I've tested, and there's a lot of stuff that
    was changed.  
    Table of Contents:
    Part 1:                             Ken's Story
    Part 2:                             Quick Glance Move List
    Part 3:                             Universal Commands and the Basics
    Part 4:                             Ken's Standard Attacks
    Part 5:                             Special Moves
    Part 6:                             Supers
    Part 7:                             Basic Tactics
    Part 8:                             Combos
    Part 9:					New Stuff/Stuff that was changed.  
    Part 10:  					Damage/Combos Revised
    Part 1:  Ken's Story
    Um, I don't think he has one.  I guess he's just entering  to fight
    like he does every year.  As Ryu would say, "You never get
    tired of this, do you?"  His ending is really lame.  His 
    story is really lame.  Goodness, you would think Capcom 
    would spend more time, but I guess they think nobody cares, 
    and Capcom isn't far wrong.
    Now why would you use Ken over Ryu?  Ryu's better right?  Personally,
    when I pick Ryu I lose a lot more.  Ken's supers are more versatile,
    he's better at crossing up, his dragon punches have more range, he's got
    a good, cancellable ground chain, his air hurricane kick is much better...
    At first glance Ryu might be better, but in the long run I like being
    able to block a sweep or a fireball then bust out the shippu jinrai 
    kyaku super.  Or use shin ryu ken against someone trying to cross me up.
    Part 2:  Quick Glance Movelist
    Grab and Knee                               Jab + Short
    Grab and Dump                               Toward + Jab + Short
    Grab and Flip Backwards                     Back + Jab + Short
    Fireball  (Ha Dou Ken)(EX)                  Quarter Circle Toward + P
    Dragon Punch (Sho Ryu Ken)(EX)              Toward, Down, DownToward + P
    Hurricane Kick (Tatsumaki Senpuu Kyaku)(EX) Quarter Circle Back + K
    Double Hit Kick Overhead                    Back + Forward Kick, or hold 
                                                   Forward kick.
    Step and Kick                               Toward + Forward Kick
    Single Hit Kick Overhead                    Toward + Roundhouse
                                                   Hold Roundhouse to cancel
    Sho Ryu Reppa X 2                         Double Fireball Motion + P
    Shin Ryu Ken X 1, Mash for more hits      Double Fireball Motion + K
    Shippu Jinrai Kyaku X 3                   Double Fireball Motion + K
    Close S. Strong -> Close S. Fierce (Boths hits are cancellable)
    Jab -> into any jab or short
    Short -> into any jab or short
    Ken's Cancellable moves:
    Standing jab
    crouching jab
    crouching short
    standing strong (close)
    crouching strong 
    crouching forward kick
    standing fierce (close)
    crouching fierce
    Part 3:  The Basics		
    Ken's basic tactics tend to be like Forest Law's in
    Tekken.  Get in their face, and go for stuffs.  Try
    to abuse the fact that he can combo his quicker moves 
    into his more damaging specials and supers.
    This is assuming Ken is facing right.
    When he's facing left, reverse the command motions.
    jab(1)      strong(2)   fierce(3)
    short(4)    forward(5)  roundhouse(6)
    Forward Dash:  Tap Toward Twice
    The good thing about Ken's dash (or any shoto's) is that
    it's fast.  Doesn't go very far, but lets you cover distance.  
    That is its use, so use it that way.  Remember you can't cancel 
    the dash, so no blocking if you dash!
    Back Dash:  Tap Back Twice
    Ken dashes back.  Doesn't go very far, but lets him back up
    about a quarter screen distance.  Use it to avoid attacks,
    mess up jump-ins, and to get some space.  Remember you can't 
    cancel the dash, so no blocking if you dash!
    High Jump:  Tap down, then tap straight up.
    I occasionally use this for anti-air.  Your priority is higher if
    you're above your opponent
    Forward Long Jump: Tap down, then tap up-toward.
    Covers space faster!  Ken will jump farther, faster, 
    possibly giving you a chance to jump over that fireball 
    and get a nice jump-in.
    Tech Roll: Tap down as you are knocked down.  
    Ken will get up quicker and roll backwards out of the way
    of most meaty attacks (attacks done as you get up.)
    Doing so charges your super meter, so there is now no 
    reason not to do it.  
    You can never tech roll after getting knocked down by 
    the end of a super.  
    Sweeps are more difficult to tech roll.
    You cannot be hit while tech rolling.  
    Overhead:  Press strong and forward kick at the same time.
    Ahh, the universal overhead.  Ken will hop and punch downwards,
    attempting an attack that must be blocked high.  
    It will go over some low attacks, so use it to punish low pokes.
    I fake with this move a lot, because it has quick recovery
    and moves Ken closer to the opponent.  It can combo into his supers,
    but not easily.
    1:  Jab + short  
    Grab and kick in the nuts.  Mash buttons to get up to 6 hits.
    2:  Jab + short holding toward
    The grab and dump at your feet throw.  Good Damage
    3:  Jab + short holding back
    Ken's trademark roll backwards then toss throw.  Covers quite a bit of
    distance if your back is near the corner.
    You can throw into a super.  Use the jab + short + back throw and throw 
    your opponent into the corner and start up shippu jinrai kyaku.  
    1:  Tap Toward
    High parry.  If you parry a move, you can cancel the parry into any
    action you want, which means what a parry really does is give you
    a time advantage.  Sometimes enough of an advantage to do whatever
    you want, sometimes not.  It's important to remember a parry this way
    because a parry doesn't gurantee anything.  As an example, if you
    parry Akuma's dive kick and try to attack he can block!  Or even stuff
    you with a dragon punch.
    If you parry a standard jump in and try to do crouching fierce -> fireball,
    the opponent has enough time to land and dragon punch you, though he 
    may not have enough time to block.  Why this is exactly?  I'm not sure.
    You can usually only parry moves from your waist up high.  Certain moves
    can be parried high even if they hit your feet, such as Ibuki's Kunai.
    2:  Tap Down
    Low Parry.  Some moves can only be parried low.
    3:  Tap Toward in air
    Parry in air.  Only way to air parry now.  Note that if you parry a
    move in the air and attack with a slow move such as fierce your
    opponent can parry back!
    4:  Tap Toward or down immediately after blocking a move
    Red Parry.  Causes you to parry the next hit in pre-canned 
    combos or chains.  Necessary if you're blocking some supers!
    Throw Break:  Press Jab + short as you are thrown.  
    Usually when you try to throw someone attempting a throw on you this 
    Unlike in Tekken Tag, you cannot break a throw if you are still 
    lagging from the recovery of a move.  
    If you do a sweep and it is parried, then your opponent throws you, 
    you can't break that throw because you're still recovering from the
    Part 4:  The Basics.
    Come on! Ken's a shoto! You've gotta know his stuff!
    So instead, I'll try to talk about when to use what moves
    and about the hit ranges.
    High moves can be crouched under.  
    Overhead/mids must be blocked/parried high.
    Special mids can be blocked/parried high or low
    Lows must be blocked/parried low
    The Jabs:  
    a.  Don't use his standing jab.  It sucks unless you want to 
    stuff overheads.  It's a high!  (People can crouch under)
    It is cancellable.
    It's best use is as an anti-air if you KNOW they'll try to air parry
    b.  Crouching jab is a special mid.  Special?  How is it special?
    You can parry it high or low.  You can block it high or low.  
    Only use to stuff moves.  Will Stuff lots of low moves.
    It is cancellable.
    c.  Jumping jab is one of Ken's few JUGGLE starters.  
    Too bad his juggles are tough!  I recommend not using it.
    It will only juggle if it hits an opponent in the air.
    Actually, after some testing, it doesn't seem to setup juggles
    that well in 3rd strike.  
    The Strongs:
    a.  Standing strong is the fastest way to charge your meter.  
    It's also a good poke.  It's a high.
    The close version is a special mid that links into Ken's fierce uppercut.
    Keep this in mind when doing combos, especially after blocking moves
    that leave you right next to your opponent. 
    b.  Crouching strong is a special mid.  You have no time 
    disadvantage if it is blocked!  Keep that in mind when poking.
    It has very high priority vs. a lot of other moves, including 
    most low pokes.  Just make sure you have good timing.
    Stuff low dash moves such as Sean's tackle and cancel into super.
    c.  I don't use jumping strong very much, but it's decent in air-air fights.
    The Fierces:
    a.  Standing fierce isn't very good.  It's slow, 
    is a high, but is very damaging.  
    Close up, Ken will do his classic uppercut.
    The uppercut is special mid, cancellable, and pushes back 
    when it connects.  Use as a combo filler.
    b.  Crouching fierce works a lot like his other uppercut.  
    Use it the same way.  You can use it as a crappy anti-air.
    Combo filler
    c.  jumping fierce is the jump attack to use.  If it connects, you have
    a million years to do as you like.
    The Shorts: 
    a.  Standing short is a linkable poke (it'll link into itself).
    It's no longer cancellable.  It is a low, so use it as a low poke.
    (Want an example?  Watch Eddie Lee's Ibuki in the B4 tape.  
    He uses that Toward + short of Ibuki's to good effect.)
    It can be parried high, so watch out. 
    b.  Crouching short is linkable into itself and cancellable.
    It's a great low poke.  Take advantage of the cancel!.
    c.  Jumping short is a juggle starter.  Too bad Ken's juggles are Tough!
    In 3rd strike it doesn't start juggles very well. 
    The Forwards: 
    a.  Standing forward is a high.  Yuck.  Think of it as a crappy
    version of Ryu's roundhouse.  It's best use as a poke is when you think
    your opponent is going to jump, especially as they get up. 
    If you hold the button down he does as double hit overhead. 
    Although it's slow, it's fairly safe when blocked, so you can still use
    it as a decent poke.  
    b.  Crouching forward kick.  Everyone knows about this move.  
    Just one caveat!  You have time disadvantage if it is blocked, so
    don't try to attack again immediately after.  
    If it is blocked and you try another attack immediately, all the 
    opponent has to do is any quick poke and you will be stuffed.
    Fortunately, you can still parry.  
    If you do this move from sufficiently far away enough, you don't
    have to worry too much about the end lag of the move, so keep that
    in mind as well.
    In other words, don't do this move if you are too close to your opponent.
    Another thing...if your opponent is right next to you and blocks this move,
    said opponent has enough time to bust a really fast super on you! 
    c.  Jumping forward kick.
    This is Ken's crossup kick.  That's really its only use.  It's his 
    best jump in.  
    The Roundhouses:
    a.  Standing roundhouse is slow!  Damaging, good range, special mid,
    but slow!  
    SLOW!  So slow a wary opponent can simply jump over it and do as they like.
    Safe when blocked though, surprise people with dragon punches.
    b.  Crouching roundhouse.  Low, knocks down, fast, but bad lag at end.  
    If you are a beginning player:
    If you are an expert player:
    As soon as Chun-Li has that super charged up, stop using it.
    Now if only I'd take my own advice...<sigh>
    Oh yeah, I've played in 5 tournaments and I always get ousted by this move.
    That's not to say don't use this move, just be careful.  
    Heck, I've even seen John Choi use this move and get smacked for it.
    He won anyways, but it was funny, even though it looked like to me he did 
    it on purpose.
    Toward + forward kick:  
    This is one of those weird funky kicks.  Ken will step forward
    and do a really crappy, slow, special mid.  Mostly safe if blocked. 
    They have ten years to punish you as it starts up.
    Back + forward kick, or hold down forward kick after doing forward kick:
    Double hit overhead/mid.  When it connects it pushes back.  
    You can combo shippu jinrai kyaku after it.
    Toward + roundhouse:  
    Super slow wind up overhead.  One hit only.
    So slow, that it's impossible to land on
    some people.  Actually really difficult to combo into super.  
    If you hold down roundhouse, Ken will cancel the move, but the lag
    is still horrendous.
    Part 5:  The Specials
    HADOU-KEN:  Fireball motion plus punch.
    Plus Two punches to Ex.
    I don't know anybody that doesn't know what this is.  
    It is a special mid, but can only be parried high. 
    Only use to stuff people trying to come in.
    Examples:  Urien's chariot rush, Ryu's Hurricane kick.  
    The ex version hits twice and always knocks down.  
    Always use the fierce version, because it comes out the fastest.  
    Some cancels into fireball will only combo if the fierce or
    ex version was used, rare as it is, they do exist.
    Of course that only happens because Ken's hadou-ken is slow!
    If you like doing crouching forward kick -> hadoken, then switch to 
    SHO RYU KEN:  Dragon punch motion plus punch.
    Plus Two punches to Ex.
    a.  Jab version.  Knocks up, great range, fastest dragon punch of
    all the shotos.  Also has the least priority of all the shotos. 
    <sigh>  It is a juggle starter in certain instances.
    b.  Strong version.  Double hit.  Only the last hit knocks down.
    Has the least range of all his dragon punches.  
    Also unreliable, occasionally the 2nd hit doesn't hit.  
    Only use in super-cancels.
    c.  Fierce version.  3 hits, great range, great damage, great priority.
    Really, really, really BAD recovery.
    The ex version is a 4 hit version almost exactly like the Fierce 
    TATSUMAKI-SENPUU-KYAKU: Backwards fireball motion plus kick.
    Plus two kicks to ex.
    The versions are all the same, just the button used determine the 
    number of hits.  The first hit is a special mid, but will no longer 
    force the opponent to stand up.  Sorry, it sucks in combos now, 
    because all the other hits are highs.  To this day I'm not sure 
    exactly what this move is for, I personally use it as a confusion tactic 
    and to move closer to my opponent.
    The air version is a decent anti-air and crossup tactic.  The air 
    version is also a potential juggle starter.
    The move works decently in some juggles, and can work as a 
    once-in-a-while anti-air against a bad jump-in.
    Oh yeah, a caveat.  You have severe time disadvantage if the move 
    actually connects!
    You're better off if they block it.  Your opponent has enough time to do
    a super if it connects.  Yuck. 
    A Hugo in the know can get hit by the move on purpose and gigas break you!
    A Ryu can do the same and do ShinShoRyuKen.
    Part 6:  Supers.   
    Just one note about damage:  When your bar changes to orange, you take 
    significantly less damage, so it's hard to calculate damage since moves 
    look to do more damage at the start of a match.
    I:  ShoRyuReppa.  12 hits, about 25-30% damage on Ryu.  
    Charge Max two.  
    All hits are special mid except for the last two, which are highs.
    The super is basically 2 fierce dragon punches followed by a 6 hit 
    dragon punch. The super nobody uses.  
    If you like comboing into super for damage, use this super.  Of all 
    the supers, this one is the most versatile.  It's also the slowest.  
    The trick to using this super is watching the range.  If opponents are 
    too far, or too high, the super will miss.  It has more horizontal range
    than Shinryuken and more vertical range than shippujinraikyaku, but it 
    doesn't do anything well.  
    If you combo into it, the horizontal range increases.
    The super is invincible on start up.  You can go through fireballs, but 
    it travels too slow to punish people with this trick.
    The only supers that have more priority than this super are:
    Ryu's ShinShoRyuKen
    Akuma's MessatsuGoShoRyu
    It will STUFF all other supers on startup.    
    Recommended ways of landing it:  
    Super cancelled off fierce dragon punch on the ground 
    (learn those short -> dragon punch combos!)
    As a deep anti-air.(You'll get 7 to 9 hits, but the damage is still good)
    After a jump-in
    After a quick poke, such as crouching short or crouching forward kick.
    After Ken's toward + roundhouse overhead (OWWW, mad skills if you can land it)
    Use to go through Akuma's air-fireball and give him an unpleasant 
    surprise.  Go through an Aegis Reflector and give Urien an unpleasant 
    II:  ShinRyuKen.   15 hits, about 30-35% damage on Ryu.
    Charge Max one.  
    Everyone uses this super as an anti-air.  That's what it's good for.  
    Don't forget that it's also very comboable.
    The first 3 hits are special mid, the rest of the hits make Ken soar 
    into the air.
    Recommended ways of landing it:
    Super cancelled or comboed off any dragon punch on an
    air opponent.
    After a jump-in
    After Ken's toward + roundhouse overhead (Risky).
    III: ShippuJinraiKyaku.  9 hits  About the same damage as fierce-> 
    dragon punch. Charge Max 3.  
    This is the rush super of Ken's.  Very comboable.  The best thing about 
    it, since it does very little damage for a super, super cancelling it 
    doesn't affect it as much. The first 5 moves are all special mid, but 
    the hits must be parried high. If the super is blocked, Ken stops on 
    the fifth hit. The bad thing about this super is that the priority sucks.  
    It'll stuff moves normals and specials, but don't count on it.  Don't try
    to stuff command throws with this super.  Use the ShoRyuReppa if you want 
    to do that.
    Recommended ways of landing it:
    Off any super cancel on the ground.  
    (Do not use jab dragon punch, it'll launch)
    After a jump-in
    After a quick poke.
    After either of Ken's overheads.  
    (Back + forward kick)
    Part 7:  Basic Tactics.
    My basic tactic is to take advantage of the fact that ken's moves are 
    so comboable and try to link his damaging moves into his quicker and 
    higher priority pokes.  This is my plan from the beginning, and involves 
    a lot of close and mid range games that allow Ken to take advantage of all
    of his specials and supers.  It's a simple battle plan, and effective. 
    The key things to remember are quick safe pokes comboed into damaging 
    moves when they connect (and only when), and a tight defense.
    That's it, really inelegant.  I also know it's very irritating on the 
    receiving end. There are very few openings (to a perfectly played Ken), 
    and as soon as a mistake is made, wham! quick damaging combo.
      a.  Ken's flaws.
    I'd have to say Ken's biggest flaws are his bad recovery on many moves 
    and his lack of a long range game.  All of his specials favor close range 
    except for his hadoken, and all of his damaging moves have horrendous end
    lag.  Try to stay away from those slow moves and doing random supers, and 
    go for those pokes.  Eventually you will get an opening.  
    Moves to be careful of because of lag:
    all fierce and roundhouse moves.
    his command overheads
    his sweep
    Did I mention his sweep?
    Let me mention his sweep one more time.  
    All jump-ins.
      b.  Some Other stuff.  
    Ken has amazing anti-air, but a crappy air game, so try to stay out 
    of the air.  Make sure to use more than just dragon punches as an 
    anti-air. Keep in mind that you can punish stupidly whiffed moves with 
    an ex-hadoken fairly often. Do not do crouching forward kick -> fireball 
    if either you or your opponent is in the corner.
    This is important!  Even if the fireball hits, your opponent has enough
    time to retaliate. Do not do a fireball if either you or your opponent 
    is in the corner.  
    Do not do full screen fireballs unless you are SURE they cannot
    retaliate. If you block a sweep, resist the urge to sweep in return.  
    Try to land crouching forward kick instead.  If they are out of range, 
    don't attempt anything.
      c.  Poking and Initiative.  
    When poking, try to keep poking, and give them a hard time attacking 
    back.  This is difficult on expert players, true, but it is very 
    frustrating when you get into your rhythm.  If you can help it, try not
    to back up.  I notice people have a lot of trouble again Yun/Yang/Akuma
    players, and it is important that you are the one dictating the match in 
    these kinds of fights.  If you are doing nothing except blocking, in 
    general you will not win unless your opponent does something stupid.  
    Avoid this at all cost.  
      d.  Keep Away.
    Ken's keep away sucks, it consists of the classic hadoken, hadoken, 
    shoryuken when they jump trick.  He can't back up his fireball, so he has
    no real range game.  It's still useful to take note of against 
    characters such as Q and Hugo.  The tough part is when your opponent does 
    keep away back.  That's tough to deal with.  Obviously you want to get 
    close and pressure, but in the event you can't crack the keep away, try 
    to watch for patterns and openings.  If you cannot parry, you will lose 
    to a keep away character such as Remy every single time, so learn to parry
    moves used to push you back.  
    Classic ones are Akuma's air fireball and Remy's Light of Virtue, 
    Cold Blue Kick tactics. Oh, and ShoRyuReppa is invincible on start up, 
    but don't rely on that tactic.
    e.  Turtling.
    With a dragon punch and very good supers (all 3 supers work well in this
    regard), Ken is good at active turtling, as long as the attacks are 
    close range attacks. Block a sweep, block a fireball, ShippuJinraiKyaku
    right away. Parry a poke, dragon punch -> ShoRyuReppa or ShinRyuKen
    Stuff throw attempts with any of his supers, and command throws with 
    ShoRyuReppa or ShinRyuKen.
    Part 8:  Combos.
    Ken's a very basic combo character.  Nothing special.  
    The order to remember is:
    Jump-in -> Normal -> Special -> Super
    Any jump in, any special (yes, even tatsumaki senpuu kyaku), and any 
    super. You can use any normal that gives you enough stun to link another
    move together or is cancellable into a special or super.
    Those are the rules, with that, you can imagine how many combos he has.
    It doesn't matter what jump-in you do.  
    I recommend using crouching forward kick for most of your combos.  
    Don't get fancy, even if you know you can do some wacky combo.  
    In general, a few damaging hits comboed together do more than Ken's
    flashier combos.  So keep it simple.
    Ken's Cancellable moves:
    Standing jab
    crouching jab
    crouching short
    standing strong (close)
    crouching strong 
    crouching forward kick
    standing fierce (close)
    crouching fierce
    For Damage, Damaging combos without supers.
    close strong -> close fierce -> jab dragon punch  
      (Do after a cross up jumping forward kick)
    crouching fierce -> fierce dragon punch (or ex dragon punch)
    crouching forward -> fierce dragon punch (or ex dragon punch)
    Learn to do that Dragon punch successfully whenever a cancellable poke 
    connects and your game will improve vastly!  Suddenly that low short 
    isn't such a weak poke anymore.
    For combos with a bit more safety.  
    (Watch for fast supers though!!!)
    crouching forward -> fireball or ex fireball.  
    crouching forward -> short hurricance kick
    close strong -> close fierce -> fierce hadoken
    crouching fierce -> hadoken
    Note that none of them are really completely safe.  
    Must know super combos.
    crouching short -> crouching short -> ShippuJinraiKyaku
    Probably the easiest way to land this super in tournament play
    Name of Cancellable Normal -> Any Super
    Toward + roundhouse -> Any Super  
    (Overhead into super.  Surprise people)
    fierce dragon punch (2 hits) -> shoryureppa or shinryuken
    (This super cancel is a great way to land anti-airs or to deal with
        people who try to air parry your dragon punch)
    Damaging Super Combos.
    jump-in roundhouse -> crouching fierce -> any super
    close strong -> close fierce -> shippu jinrai kyaku
    jump-in roundhouse -> crouching forward -> fierce dragon punch (2 hits) 
        -> shippu jinrai kyaku
    I'm not too good on this section.  For one thing, juggles aren't too 
    universal with Ken.  They vary depending on your opponent's size and 
    weight, as well as certain conditions. In general, to do a juggle you 
    want to launch them so another hit will hit afterwards.  This was MUCH 
    easier to do in older versions of SF3, but it can still be done.  
    I first took note of juggles when I saw Ryu's jumping short -> standing 
    roundhouse juggle, and since then I've found that some characters have 
    some nasty guaranteed juggles.  
    Ken's launchers only launch people already in the air. (sigh)
    Ken's launchers are:
    Jab dragon punch
    Crouching fierce  (Difficult to get anything now though!)
    air hurricane kick
    ex air hurricane kick
    jumping jab or short.
    The easiest followup is a normal such as standing forward kick or a 
    dragon punch. The supers also make pretty good followups, and some of his 
    flashier combos involve incredibly wacky juggles with supers in them.
    I've actually seen on Hugo in the air in the corner:
    jumping short -> standing jab -> standing forward kick 
       -> air hurricane kick -> crouching strong cancelled -> shoryureppa 
       -> shoryureppa -> air hurricane kick -> standing jab 
       -> standing forward kick
    It was 16 hits, since most of the super missed, but impressive none the 
    less.  The stun was incredible, the actual damage pathetic, considering 
    two supers were burned. Then again, jump in roundhouse -> 
        crouching fierce -> shoryureppa would have done more damage anyways.
    Also, for the life of me, I've never ever been able to reproduce such a 
    flashy combo. For the most part, just keep your eye on when your opponent 
    is falling in front of you.  With experience, you'll know what you can 
    and can't land.
    Note:  I've actually retried doing that above combo.  Ugh.  Maybe it's 
    a system's option only combo..I don't really understand how it works.  
    Here are some common, easier juggles, naturally the opponent has to be 
    in the air first:
    jab dragon punch -> jab dragon punch.  You have to land the first one so
    they fall upward then
    down at your feet.  It doesn't matter whether the first hit is the hit 
    on the ground or if the hit is the hit after Ken has already swung into 
    the air in the classic dragon punch stance.
    air hurricane kick -> dragon punch.  Corner only.
    Jumping short -> dragon punch.  Easier in corner.  It's difficult to get 
    this to work right, I don't really know how to do this consistently.
    Since all these juggles only occur on an opponent in the air, I don't
    really see how one can land these in any sort of higher level game.
    Part 9:  New Stuff/Stuff that was changed. 
    1.  High Jump is useful.  Getting above your opponent gives you an edge
    in priority.  It can help.  I also always high jump to get out of stun
    gun headbutt setups.  
    2.  You cannot be hit while tech rolling.  
    3.  Universal overhead into super is possible, but it's difficult
    to do.  
    4.  Throwing into super is possible in 3rd strike.  
    Use Ken's flip throw and cancel into shippu jinrai kyaku in the corner
    (back + jab + short)  Yay! Two hit combo!
    5.  Using jump jab as a juggle starter usually just does a reset.  It is
    possible to get a juggle, but you have to hit them before they flip upright.
    6.  Jump strong is probably your best option when in an air-air fight
    after a parry.  If you parry an air move and try to air fierce, occasionally
    your opponent can air parry you back.  
    7.  Standing forward is slow, but is a decent poke because it's mostly safe 
    when blocked.  You can do the move, and then shoryuken their retaliation. 
    When your opponent starts turling after the standing forward kick, then
    you can start your options.  
    8.  Shoryureppa will go through Dudley's cross counter, ex or not, on startup.
    9.  Use Ken's short hurricane kick to go past Remy's low light of virtue's.  You can
    parry, but the hurricane kick moves you forward.  
    Part 10:  Damage/Combos Revised
    There is quite a bit of confusion as to how damage works in this game.  
    I think I can finally clarify exactly how damage works in 3rd strike.  
    First, the lifebar is exactly 161 points.  It doesn't matter if it's Q, 
    Hugo, Ibuki, or whatever, a lifebar is EXACTLY 161 points.  
    It always takes 32 BLOCKED hurricane kicks and a BLOCKED fireball to kill 
    someone regardless of their toughness.
    Now, let's assume we're beating down on Ryu, because Ryu is nice and average.
    So for all the numbers I show next, remember that I got them from beating on 
    Second, while the lifebar is green or yellow, the move always does its normal
    damage.  For instance, Ken's jab shoryuken does 22 points.  Ken's standing
    roundhouse also does 22 points.  Ken's short kick does 2 points.  
    However, when the lifebar is orange, the character takes significantly less. 
    When the lifebar first hits orange, it takes 10 percent less damage.  
    Ken's Jab shoryuken that originally did 22 points does 20 points when the
    lifebar first hits orange.  However, as the lifebar gets smaller and smaller,
    eventually the character will take up to 20 percent less.  By the time there's
    almost no lifebar, Ken's shoryuken only does 17 damage.  
    This is true for ALL characters.
    To make things more confusing though, there is an actual damage bonus if you hit
    a character that is crouching.  Now Ken's shoryuken will do 27 damage while the
    lifebar is green/yellow, and will do 22-24 damage when the lifebar is orange. 
    The damage bonus is about 20-30 percent, but varies with rounding.  A crouch short
    that does 2 points does 3 points to a crouching character.  However, the bonus
    only applies when the character is hit when crouching. Sometimes hits in
    a combo will stand characters up, so damage will vary as a result. 
    Ryu's low forward -> shinkuu hadoken does 49 points on a standing Ryu.  But 
    the combo will do 63 damage on a crouching Ryu.  Ken's low forward -> shippu
    jinrai kyaku combo also does 49 damage on a standing Ryu.  But the combo will 
    only do 54 damage on a crouching Ryu.  Odd?  Well, the thing is, when you do
    low forward -> shinkuu hadoken, all of the hits keep the victim crouching.  
    In Ken's case, the first hit of shippu jinrai kyaku will stand UP the opponent,
    so all of the other hits do NOT get the bonus.  Many specials and supers
    cause the opponent to stand up after the first hit.  Characters hit in the air
    take damage as if standing.  
    The only exception to this rule is throws.  Throws NEVER get this crouching 
    damage bonus.  This INCLUDES command grabs and super grabs.  
    Now, this puts a damper in finding the most damaging combo because sometimes
    the most damaging combo does LESS damage than another combo on a crouching 
    opponent if some of the early hits cause the opponent to stand up.  
    Finally, there is damage toning to consider.  
    Damage toning is basically the reduction of damage of hits in a combo. 
    Unlike other street fighter
    games though, the damage toning in this game is different.  The amount of 
    damage reduced is modified by both the damage of the move, the number of hits, 
    and whether it is a special or super.  Most other street fighter games like
    the vs. series calculate damage toning by number of hits.   
    Take Sean's Hadou burst for example.   It does 32 points.  
    If you do low forward -> hadou burst (2 hit combo), the hadou burst portion will
    do 30 points.  If you do crouch fierce -> hadou burst (also a 2 hit combo), the
    super portion will do 28 damage.  
    If you do fierce dragon punch -> hadou burst (also a 2 hit combo), the super 
    portion will do a measly 24 damage.  If you do c. short -> hadou burst, the 
    super doesn't damage tone at all and still does 32 points.  
    In general: 
    a.  The more damage a move does, the bigger the reduction.
    b.  Specials reduce damage more than normals.
    c.  Supers reduce damage more than specials.  
    d.  The more hits in a combo, the bigger the reduction.  A shoryuken does
    less if it is the eighth hit, as compared to the 2nd hit in a combo.  
    However, because a move causes lots of damage reduction doesn't mean it's not
    worth adding into a combo.  Sometimes super cancels do more damage than 
    other combos.  Sometimes super cancels aren't worth doing.  It's not always
    clear cut.  In general, if a special move does a lot of damage in one hit,
    it's worth adding in, but that varies quite a bit.  
    Okay, but what about characters other than Ryu/Ken?  Once again, their lifebar is
    161 points, regardless of how tough the character is.  Q with 3 taunts still dies
    to 32 blocked hurricane kicks and one blocked fireball.  However, other 
    characters often take a percentage less/more than Ryu.  As is widely known, 
    Akuma takes the worse damage.  
                                        Akuma Ryu   Hugo  Q(3Taunts)
    Ken's Jab shoryuken                 26    22    19    13
    strong -> fierce -> shoryuken       49    40    35    23
    low forward -> shippu jinrai kyaku  61    49    44    27
    Chun's Hoyuk-sen                    68    54    46    28
    Ryu's c. mk -> shoruken -> shinsho  104   86    76    49
    As you can see, it's all about doing big combos on Akuma.  He feels those
    even more than normal.  On Q with 3 taunts, doing big combos is hopeless...you 
    start doing a pixel or two per hit around hit number 5 with Ken.  
    Other faqs have listed the difference between toughness, so I'm not going to 
    repeat that here.  
    For that information, you can find it at:
    In Kao Megura's very well written 3rd strike faq.  
    Some supers change how much damage a character does/takes.  Twelve's x-copy
    and Makoto's Tanden Renki are examples.  For info on that, look up faqs on those
    two characters.
    Last, but not least, there is no damage bonus for counterhits or first attack. 
    However, on the recovery of some character's moves the character will take extra
    damage.  The end of Twelve's X-copy or if Dudley gets hit during cross-
    counter are examples.  Unlike the crouch damage bonus, this damage bonus seems
    to affect every hit in a combo.
    Okay, enough blabbing about the messed up damage engine.  Onto more interesting
    All moves are done on Ryu.  160 points takes away all of a characters lifebar
    if you ignore what the orange health does.  161 points will actually kill.
    Move Name               Damage            
    jab                     2
    short                   5
    far strong              13
    close strong            14
    forward                 16
    far fierce              19
    close. fierce           19
    roundhouse              22
    c. jab                  2
    c. short                2
    c. strong               13
    c. forward              12
    c. fierce               19
    c. roundhouse           19
    j. jab                  8
    j. short                7
    j. strong               14
    j. forward              13
    j. fierce               19
    j. roundhouse           19	
    j. -> jab               7
    j. -> short             7
    j. -> strong            14
    j. -> forward           13
    j. -> fierce            19
    j. -> roundhouse        18
    b + forward             9+8=17
    T + roundhouse          17
    jab shoryuken           22
    str shoryuken           16+7=23
    fie shoryuken           11+8+6=25
    ex shoryuken            11+7+5+5=28
    Hadoken(all buttons)    8
    ex hadoken              8+8=16
    short hurricane         11+4=15
    forward hurricane       8+4+4+3=19
    rhouse hurricane        8+4+4+3+3=22
    ex hurricane kick       8+4+4+4+4+3=27
    shippu jinrai kyaku     11+5+5+5+4+2+2+2+4=40
    shoryureppa             55
    shinryuken              68
    Big whoop.  
    Now, what about combos?  This is trickier, because a combo may do more on a 
    crouching character than others, and damage reduction varies quite a bit.  
    First parenthesis is damage on a standing Ryu, 2nd is on a crouching Ryu.
    I also avoided combos that don't work on crouching characters.  These combos
    work on everyone.  
    c. forward kick -> hadoken (12+8=20) (15+10=25)
    c. forward -> ex hadoken (12+8+7=27)(15+10+7=32)  (hadoken causes stand)
    c. strong -> hadoken (13+8=21)(16+10=26)
    c. fierce -> hadoken(19+7=26)(23+9=32)
    strong -> fierce -> hadoken (14+8+7=29) (18+10+9=37)
    strong -> fierce -> jab shoryuken (14+8+18=40) (18+10+23=51)
    c. short -> c. short -> c. short (2+2+1=5)(3+2+2=7)
    c. short -> fierce shoryuken (27)(35)
    c. forward -> fierce shoryuken(36)(44)
    fierce -> fierce shoryuken (42)(52)
    For raw damage without super, fierce -> fierce shoryuken and strong -> fierce
    -> shoryuken win hands down.  Notice that these combos without super do as 
    much damage as an uncomboed shippu jinrai kyaku.  
    Now for the shippu jinrai kyaku:
    The problem with this super is that the first hit stands the character.
    As a result, this isn't exactly the best punisher of crouchers.  However, 
    the super is versatile and it does charge fast.  
    shippu jinrai kyaku (40) (43) (Only the first hit gets the crouch bonus)
    c. forward -> shippu (49) (54)
    c. forward -> hadoken -> shippu (48) (53)  (Not worth doing)
    c. forward -> strong shoryuken -> shippu (55) (62)
    c. forward -> fierce shoryuken -> shippu (51) (58)
    strong -> fierce -> shippu (54) (62)
    strong -> fierce -> hadoken -> shippu (51) (61)
    c. fierce -> shippu (53) (59)
    c. fierce -> hadoken -> shippu (50) (56)
    c. fierce -> strong shoryuken -> shippu (57) (67)
    c. fierce -> fierce shoryuken -> shippu (53) (62)
    b + forward kick (overhead) -> shippu (not possible) (59)
    t + roundhouse (overhead) -> shippu (not possible) (62) (This combo is VERY HARD)
    UOH -> shippu (not possible) (50)
    The overhead tricks only work on crouching characters. For raw damage, using
    strong -> fierce is best because the chain will combo even after a jump-in.
    It is very difficult to do c. fierce -> strong shoryuken -> super cancel off
    a jump-in without crossing up.  This is very different from what I thought when
    I put in the original combo section of this Ken guide.  
    Now for the shoryureppa:  Obviously from above super cancelling with hadokens
    or fierce shoryuken isn't worth it because neither move does as much damage
    as the strong shoryuken.  Once again, the shoryureppa stands up after the
    first hit. 
    shoryureppa (55)(58)
    c. forward -> shoryureppa  (64)(69)
    c. forward -> strong dragon punch -> shoryureppa (64)(71)
    c. fierce -> shoryureppa (67) (73)
    c. fierce -> strong shoryuken -> shoryureppa (66) (76)
    strong -> fierce -> shoryureppa (67) (75)
    When the opponent is standing, c. fierce and strong -> fierce are the combos
    to use.  However, on a crouching opponent c. fierce -> strong shoryuken
    super cancel is the way to go.  Confusing isn't it? While the difference
    in damage is miniscule, this helps illustrate why it's so hard to say..
    What is Ken's most damaging combo?  In this case...the answer is 
    "It depends."  This works out this way because neither c. fierce
    nor strong shoryuken stand up..so there's a big damage bonus...but the
    super also damage reduces a bit more because of the extra hits.  
    Now for the shinryuken:  
    shinryuken (68) (71)
    c. forward -> shinryuken (76) (82)
    c. forward -> strong dragon punch -> shinryuken (73) (81)
    c. fierce -> shinryuken (78) (85)
    c. fierce -> strong dragon punch -> shinryuken (75) (85)
    strong -> fierce -> shinryuken (76) (84)
    I would like to thank the Berkeley Bearcade for all the hours of 
    entertainment.  Now if only the sticks were as nice as the Golflands.
    I would also like to thank John Choi.  I'll probably never beat him, but he
    promotes competition at our arcade.  He's also a pretty cool guy. 
    More thanks to:
    Jyh <- I think he's white. Just kidding.
    Patrick <- Genei Jin Yun, beatdown with Ibuki.
    Danny <-I've never seen anyone kill John Choi in 3rd strike in 20 seconds before
    Carlos <- Fellow Ken player.  Not as reckless as me, so gives me trouble
    Quincy <- One of the best the bearcade had to offer in 3rd strike. Mad Elena
    Chris <- He sucks at 3rd strike.  Ahh well, thanks anyways..Always entertaining
    Steve <- He sucks even more at 3rd strike, but he'd crush me in MvC2 anyday.
    Brian <- Up and coming...learned a lot faster than I ever did
    Brian Mao <- Enjoying getting trashed in 3S in Japan?  Another psycho Yun
    Ken <- Aren't you supposed to suck?  You've been holding back on us!
    Mouko, Peter <- Used to be a big fan of 3S.  
    and countless other nameless players that have helped to make me a better