Cypher actually made a good point. (spoilers)

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User Info: Ryan-06

Ryan-06
3 years ago#1
btw why is this little board still alive!?!? Is this for real? :o

anyway...
Consider the following clips.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OA3WGf9pX0A
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If it was me, I sure would love to live a life that wasn't cold bleak and hopeless. The real world was a hellhole from a certain point of view. Who wants that?

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User Info: conduit

conduit
3 years ago#2
I guess it depends on the person. some people strive for an easy life and don't really care about anyone but themselves. others take the hard path.

but it makes me wonder about Cypher's back story, how he was found and taken out of the Matrix. was he more at home in the Matrix than he was in the real world?

we don't even know much about him in the real world? no wife? no family? no friends?

also some people value physical freedom more than intellectual/psychological freedom. personally I find ignorance to be just about the most depressing thing. so the statement "ignorance is bliss" just doesn't hold any weight for me.
~we are a part of the process, not instigators of its progress~

User Info: BushidoEffect3

BushidoEffect3
3 years ago#3
Thanks for your insight. that was quick tho... you visit this board regularly? :)
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conduit
3 years ago#4
If you're talking to me, I check this board almost daily. pretty sure I'm not the only one either.
~we are a part of the process, not instigators of its progress~

User Info: xXBarbelithXx

xXBarbelithXx
3 years ago#5
He may have had a point but it is only a dream now and not anything obtainable for him.

Under a modern concept of what determines if an action is ethical or not most subscribe to a form of utilitarianism. IE is the action practical and is it beneficial to a greater good. Cypher's actions fail at both and is rooted in ignorance.

For starters his actions would have not only cost the lives of Morpheus' crew but the lives in Zion as well. One mind wipe resulting in the deaths of thousands (millions?). The total number of suffering could also be increased if we account for the fact that Cypher would have been responsible for the death of Neo. But this calls into play a bit of predestination and hindsight which I'm not willing to really go down. Even breaking this all down to its root effects, Cypher's actions killed Tank (died of wounds later), Dozer, Mouse, Switch, and Apoch not to mention the number of dead officers during the assault. We could even extend this to all the officers and people killed in Neo and Trinity's mission to save Morpheus as it is all a direct result of Cypher's actions. Or in short, the only one benefiting from Cypher's decision is Cypher. This is not a matter of ethics. Cypher is not acting in any moral or ethical manner. One reformed life is not worth that many deaths. Especially when there is a much bigger picture being played with a few of those lives.

Nor is it a practical mission to undertake. As we see in the first film he was never going to be reinserted. The Agents proceed as planned and send out a squad of sentinels whose only job is to kill and destroy. Like wise as the Architect explains in Reloaded, those freed from the Matrix have a subconscious pull that can not be reversed. They are, and always will be, a part of the 1% that reject the simulation from birth. Even after his memory is erased he is just going to default back to that desire to free-himself. This was even confirmed directly in the game Matrix Online (suck it Cypherites).

And it makes sense. Why would the Machines bother with a huge song and dance of building/destroying Zion every cycle if everyone who starts to want out can just be mind wiped and everything is alright. Doesn't make a lick of sense.

Nor does going back to the people who created a magnificent lie in the first place and expect them to ever be telling you the truth. There is no morality in Cypher's decisions. Only self serving delusions, as seen in "I want to be an actor, you know someone important". Cypher may follow up in a rational manner but his premise is entirely bunk and his point is quickly lost.
"This is the work of Dalang. His skill makes us believe that we see a war between two great armies, but there is no war. There is only the Dalang."

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conduit
3 years ago#6
^interesting post. tbh I always thought that the sentinels were supposed to recover Cypher's body so as to put him back into the Matrix. but what you say makes more sense. which makes it all the more crazy that he would want to go back in anyway. knowing that he would still never be content. as you say he is chasing a delusion.
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User Info: BushidoEffect3

BushidoEffect3
3 years ago#7
^ Interesting stuff. also Will there ever be a new matrix reboot/movie in the future? It's been a long time since the original. It's nice to see action films also delve into philosophical matters. Better than the Michael Bay type junk coming out in recent years.

I assume it would be given to a new director. Like how the new star wars is being done by new people.

conduit posted...
If you're talking to me, I check this board almost daily. pretty sure I'm not the only one either.


Of course I was! since you were the only other post beside mine at the time lol.
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xXBarbelithXx
3 years ago#8
BushidoEffect3 posted...
Will there ever be a new matrix reboot/movie in the future?

Incredibly unlikely but this is Hollywood we are talking about so who knows.
"This is the work of Dalang. His skill makes us believe that we see a war between two great armies, but there is no war. There is only the Dalang."

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dj1200
3 years ago#9
xXBarbelithXx posted...
BushidoEffect3 posted...
Will there ever be a new matrix reboot/movie in the future?

Incredibly unlikely but this is Hollywood we are talking about so who knows.


Oh come on, in the future, anything can happen. Of course they're gonna try to make more money off this franchise. Stuff just gets repeated in stories anyway.
"It was so ridiculous and I have so many feelings about it."
-Virtual Energies

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xXBarbelithXx
3 years ago#10
dj1200 posted...
Oh come on, in the future, anything can happen. Of course they're gonna try to make more money off this franchise. Stuff just gets repeated in stories anyway.

Trouble being that I don't see the Wachoskis ever signing off on it. So until after their deaths it's not likely.

And then there's a question of "would it sell". What made the first film was it's visuals just as much as it's story and depth. And as we see with the sequels the lack of one can lead to a disappointing experience by the majority of viewers.

It's a cult classic but it does not have the same power of say Star Trek or Star Wars where new films can be made some 30 years later and still turn a profit. It would be a huge gamble to try and remake or revive the franchise when it closed on such a soar note. And there are much safer options in Hollywood.
"This is the work of Dalang. His skill makes us believe that we see a war between two great armies, but there is no war. There is only the Dalang."
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