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User Info: AndreLeGeant

AndreLeGeant
2 weeks ago#71
LewsTheDragon posted...
Monolith1676 posted...
https://goo.gl/mj7t6A

Jesus Christ. The UK is such s*** on liberties and privacy.


Lib Dems and the Corbyn wing of Labour are good on those issues. But Tories and the Blairites are not.
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User Info: mrplainswalker

mrplainswalker
2 weeks ago#72
LewsTheDragon posted...
This analogy just doesn't hold up, though. It would be more like ordering chef's special and getting a stick of gum.


That's just a difference in degree, not in principle. I'm talking about the principle.

It's the same reason that buying a stock isn't technically gambling, but buying a stock option is. It's gambling in the trivial sense that you don't know the future value of the stock, but you still own a share of whatever company...it just might lose value as soon as you buy it. With an option, it's pure speculation. If your bet doesn't work out, you have nothing of value.

Another example. You buy tickets for a concert and then try to scalp them on ticketmaster. Yes, you're gambling in a trivial sense of the term because sometimes ticket prices go down. But at the end of the day, you still have tickets. By the logic of the people arguing that loot boxes are gambling, buying concert tickets is also gambling.
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mrplainswalker
2 weeks ago#73
Or a third example. Buying a raffle ticket at a charity event. It's gambling in a trivial sense because you might not get anything, but not in the technical sense because when you buy it you know that what you're actually paying for is the charity, which is a guaranteed outcome.
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User Info: Atombender

Atombender
2 weeks ago#74
LewsTheDragon posted...
Monolith1676 posted...
https://goo.gl/mj7t6A

Jesus Christ. The UK is such s*** on liberties and privacy.


If only Orwell could have predicted the internet.
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User Info: Mitsukiba

Mitsukiba
2 weeks ago#75
Scorpion122178 posted...
I'm going to open a casino in the UK where people pay me real world money and I give them monopoly money. They can earn monopoly money too by spending thousands of hours in there. They can then use this monopoly money to make a wager of money against a desired outcome and possibly win a NEW car. But 99% of them will win crappy stickers and key chains. They'd have to sign a waver though that all winnings still remain the property of the casino and cannot be sold or returned and may be confiscated at any time. There will be no age restriction and I wont check if children using credit cards got prior consent from their parents.

Just imagine.

Wow. I mean the car may be a bit much, but this is pretty accurate.

Monolith1676 posted...
https://goo.gl/mj7t6A

Who let this crap get passed?
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User Info: Atombender

Atombender
2 weeks ago#76
Mitsukiba posted...
Scorpion122178 posted...
I'm going to open a casino in the UK where people pay me real world money and I give them monopoly money. They can earn monopoly money too by spending thousands of hours in there. They can then use this monopoly money to make a wager of money against a desired outcome and possibly win a NEW car. But 99% of them will win crappy stickers and key chains. They'd have to sign a waver though that all winnings still remain the property of the casino and cannot be sold or returned and may be confiscated at any time. There will be no age restriction and I wont check if children using credit cards got prior consent from their parents.

Just imagine.

Wow. I mean the car may be a bit much, but this is pretty accurate.

Monolith1676 posted...
https://goo.gl/mj7t6A

Who let this crap get passed?


Selfish, ignorant citizens.
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User Info: RoyalDroneX

RoyalDroneX
2 weeks ago#77
TomorrowDog posted...
http://www.gamblingcommission.gov.uk/news-action-and-statistics/news/2017/Loot-boxes-within-video-games.aspx

Weird, the armchair analysts on here told me it was 100% obvious gambling and some handpicked sources that they read on the internet verified it and thus there was no question or argument.

I guess the UK gambling commission doesn't count since it doesn't fit the verified position of board 261's armchair analysis committee.


because sadly Lootboxes have the same odds as a card game booster pack
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User Info: LewsTheDragon

LewsTheDragon
2 weeks ago#78
mrplainswalker posted...
That's just a difference in degree, not in principle. I'm talking about the principle.

The difference in degree is the principle. And your stock analogy is completely mistaken. When buying stocks you understand the inherent risks of your capital involved.

Now, you could make an argument that the stock system itself is similar to gambling, and I'd be sympathetic to that, but that isn't relevant here.

mrplainswalker posted...
Another example. You buy tickets for a concert and then try to scalp them on ticketmaster. Yes, you're gambling in a trivial sense of the term because sometimes ticket prices go down. But at the end of the day, you still have tickets. By the logic of the people arguing that loot boxes are gambling, buying concert tickets is also gambling.

Again, no. This is not the logic. When you buy a concert ticket you're tacitly agreeing that the money you're spending is equivalent to the value of seeing the concert. That a separate market emerges has nothing to do with the venue or artist. Wizards of the Coast actually maintain exactly that position regarding their cards being resold. That market has nothing to do with them.
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User Info: Monolith1676

Monolith1676
2 weeks ago#79
Atombender posted...
Mitsukiba posted...
Scorpion122178 posted...
I'm going to open a casino in the UK where people pay me real world money and I give them monopoly money. They can earn monopoly money too by spending thousands of hours in there. They can then use this monopoly money to make a wager of money against a desired outcome and possibly win a NEW car. But 99% of them will win crappy stickers and key chains. They'd have to sign a waver though that all winnings still remain the property of the casino and cannot be sold or returned and may be confiscated at any time. There will be no age restriction and I wont check if children using credit cards got prior consent from their parents.

Just imagine.

Wow. I mean the car may be a bit much, but this is pretty accurate.

Monolith1676 posted...
https://goo.gl/mj7t6A

Who let this crap get passed?


Selfish, ignorant citizens.


Actually, it got pushed through without a vote. The just made it and it was so.
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User Info: Mitsukiba

Mitsukiba
2 weeks ago#80
Monolith1676 posted...
Atombender posted...
Mitsukiba posted...
Scorpion122178 posted...
I'm going to open a casino in the UK where people pay me real world money and I give them monopoly money. They can earn monopoly money too by spending thousands of hours in there. They can then use this monopoly money to make a wager of money against a desired outcome and possibly win a NEW car. But 99% of them will win crappy stickers and key chains. They'd have to sign a waver though that all winnings still remain the property of the casino and cannot be sold or returned and may be confiscated at any time. There will be no age restriction and I wont check if children using credit cards got prior consent from their parents.

Just imagine.

Wow. I mean the car may be a bit much, but this is pretty accurate.

Monolith1676 posted...
https://goo.gl/mj7t6A

Who let this crap get passed?


Selfish, ignorant citizens.


Actually, it got pushed through without a vote. The just made it and it was so.

Rip UK.
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