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User Info: CorporateKnight

CorporateKnight
4 years ago#1
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20192922

I'm hoping HH will be able to defend the Coptics agaisnt those savages in Egypt.
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User Info: Burning_WolfX

Burning_WolfX
4 years ago#2
Many years to His Holiness, and to the Coptic Church!
Sometimes I'd like to ask God why He allows poverty, suffering, and injustice when He could do something about it. But Im afraid He'd ask me the same thing.
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User Info: the_hedonist

the_hedonist
4 years ago#4
I've heard rumors that the EOC and OOC is closer to union than ever. How close to truth do you think that is, Chaos?
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User Info: Dathrowed1

Dathrowed1
4 years ago#5
I have met some Copts, they said Egypt hasn't been kind to them and they hope to never return
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User Info: the_hedonist

the_hedonist
4 years ago#7
So essentially the option is conversion to Eastern Orthodoxy, and not reunion?
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Burning_WolfX
4 years ago#8
the_hedonist posted...
So essentially the option is conversion to Eastern Orthodoxy, and not reunion?


I've heard mixed opinions. Chaos_Scade's view, however, is probably the most common among the Eastern Orthodox. I've heard others say that the last 4 Ecumenical Councils were really all more Byzantine affairs; for example, the OO have never really had to deal with iconoclasm. It's basically agreed that the OO are not, nor have they ever been, Monophysite, nor even Monothelites. They are Miaphysites and Miathelites, and these positions have been recognized as stating the same thing as the Chalcedonian position.

So my understanding is (and Chaos, correct me if I'm wrong) that, as things stand now, the Oriental Orthodox would not have to "convert" to Eastern Orthodoxy--we already share the same faith, just with some different nuances. There is nothing in the last 4 Ecumenical Councils that the OO would disagree with in terms of faith and doctrine. The only real thing dividing us is a lot of historical circumstances, and a good bit of feuding. It would be a proper reunion, but before that happens, EO and OO would have to agree on the number of ecumenical councils (seven), acknowledge each other's Saints and writings, and figure out the administrative logistics of reunion.
Sometimes I'd like to ask God why He allows poverty, suffering, and injustice when He could do something about it. But Im afraid He'd ask me the same thing.

User Info: CorporateKnight

CorporateKnight
4 years ago#9
the_hedonist posted...
So essentially the option is conversion to Eastern Orthodoxy, and not reunion?


Not really, just accept the councils and continue as they are.. at best.
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the_hedonist
4 years ago#10
But if they have to recognize all the councils, is that not essenitally conversion to Eastern Orthodoxy? Couldn't the EO church allow reunion and also allow there to be individuals in the Church to not recognize all the same councils as ecumenical? To me, only allowing the OO in granted recognition of all 7 councils is forcing conversion, not reunion.
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