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User Info: kozlo100

kozlo100
3 years ago#21
Indori posted...
In short, he isn't supporting universal salvation.


I thought not, but I've been out of the Church long enough to lack the theological chops to explain why. I'm glad you provided some insight into the issue.
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User Info: Indori

Indori
3 years ago#22
OzymandiasIV posted...
Never have I heard of redemption through Christ not equating to admittance to the Kingdom of God until now. If this kind of redemption doesn't do anything, then what's the point? Is he saying it's only through this redemption that even those who don't believe can do good? If so, that's even more condescending, but that's not at all the vibe I got from his message.

Objective redemption is what we call the healing between God and humanity that resulted from Christ's sacrifice. It's what made heaven possible. In earthly terms, people who died prior to Christ were not permitted to heaven (typically we say that they were in some kind of sleep). The faucet wasn't turned on. Christ turned the faucet on (on full even!). Everyone has access to the faucet, we just have to drink from it.
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User Info: Beren

Beren
3 years ago#23
Indori's explanation aside, it seems the homily could have been phrased more clearly to avoid this confusion, especially given that the Pope's statements are sure to be read by many people without the same familiarity with the the underlying Catholic teachings.
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User Info: kts123

kts123
3 years ago#24
If that's the case then the Pope has done a wonderful job teaching Catholicism. What better way to get people digging than to throw them something that challenges their conceptions?

User Info: Julian_Caesar

Julian_Caesar
3 years ago#25
From: kts123 | #024
If that's the case then the Pope has done a wonderful job teaching Catholicism. What better way to get people digging than to throw them something that challenges their conceptions?


Hadn't thought of it that way, but that's an excellent observation.
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