Do you agree with the statement that the Wii U is the modern Dreamcast?

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User Info: RadKickAss

RadKickAss
2 months ago#41
I agree with the statement that 'the Wii U is the booby prize of its generation'.
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User Info: Vegeta1000

Vegeta1000
2 months ago#42
dr_zomberg posted...
Vegeta1000 posted...

Dreamcast was shelved early because Sega could no longer financially support the system. It had nothing to do with the system being outdated. The commercial failures of the Saturn and the two Genesis add-ons (CD, 32X) finally caught up to them. If the DC never got discontinued, it probably would've sold as much as the GC and Xbox if not more. DC had some hardware advantages over the PS2 so it wasn't completely outclassed by it.

Also, some of your reasoning are dumb. DC had late PS1 ports? So what? Those games were just as good on the DC if not better. DC also had a lot of 3rd party games that didn't have a prayer of running on the PS1. The fact is that the DC had a much more varied library than the Wii U.



bolded parts.

no. dont be delusional.
yes, but they were still late ports. anyone who wanted to play them, already did years ago. thats why none of them sold much on dc, despite being the best versions (like tony hawk 2, which featured the better graphics of the n64 version, and the fmvs and extras of the psx version) or having the then exclusive mvc 2 and soul calibur. the same happened with the wu. anyone that wanted to play arkham city had already done so.
hell, arguably the best dc game, shenmue, didnt make its budget back, and the developer even said every single dc owner would have to buy the game twice for that to happen. and im sure there arent 18 million copies of the game out there.

and this is coming from someone who likes the dc more than the wu. but im also not a blind fangirl. i see the faults in everything.


Nothing of what you said makes the DC look anymore worse. Those so called late PS1 ports were still liked on the DC regardless of sales and the DC still had good games that are still exclusive today or multiplats that are superior to other versions (Sonic Adventure, Grandia II, Marvel vs Capcom 2, etc). It's not about being a fanboy or not. It's about recognizing greatness which was the DC.
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User Info: Erics84

Erics84
2 months ago#43
dr_zomberg posted...
because sega launched the dc way too early (1998- jp, 1999 elsewhere) so of course it was ahead of its time. then the newer systems got released and the dc was shoved aside.
launch games like dynasty warriors 2 could not possibly run on the DC without serious setbacks (like making the game play like the dynasty warriors games on psp, where its area based instead of a giant level, and even then...)
people say the dc had impressive specs, and it sure did..... compared to the psx and 64. because those were the systems the dc actively compited against. any way you look at it, the DC would not have survived the entire 6th gen, as it was already outdated when the ps2 launched.

The PS2 was also inferior to the GC and Xbox, and even the DC in some aspects, and it still became the most successful home console ever. The DC's failure had nothing to do with its specs.

User Info: dr_zomberg

dr_zomberg
2 months ago#44
it was outdated on the important parts. like the ability to put more polygons on screen (ie, better graphics, which was ALL THAT MATTERED AT THE TIME (fanboys of each, 2001) and disc capacity).
lets not forget there was a quiet update on ps2s that increased its mhz from 294 to 299, dc remained at 200.

to put it in metaphor: the DC struck the iceberg that was the ps2, it was a mathematical certainty that it will sink. the gamecube and xbox were extra weights that made it sank faster.
and thus died the dreamcast, a noble but feeble attempt to recapture the market with a plethora of late ports, awesome exclusives, and mediocre games.
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Vegeta1000
2 months ago#45
dr_zomberg posted...
it was outdated on the important parts. like the ability to put more polygons on screen (ie, better graphics, which was ALL THAT MATTERED AT THE TIME (fanboys of each, 2001) and disc capacity).
lets not forget there was a quiet update on ps2s that increased its mhz from 294 to 299, dc remained at 200.

to put it in metaphor: the DC struck the iceberg that was the ps2, it was a mathematical certainty that it will sink. the gamecube and xbox were extra weights that made it sank faster.
and thus died the dreamcast, a noble but feeble attempt to recapture the market with a plethora of late ports, awesome exclusives, and mediocre games.


The DC didn't fail because of specs. It failed because Sega could no longer financially support the system. Yes, the DC was bound to get crushed by the PS2 regardless, but so did the GC and Xbox. If Sega never discontinued the system so early it likely would've sold more than both GC and Xbox. It was already around 10 million when it got discontinued on March 26, 2001.

You really need to stop with this late port bulls***. The DC had plenty of games that are still exclusive (Shenmue, Project Justice, Cannon Spike, AeroWings, etc), and definite versions of some multiplats (Sonic Adventure, Resident Evil 2, Marvel vs Capcom 2, Grandia II, etc). You seem like you have something against the DC even though you claim you're a fan.
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User Info: dr_zomberg

dr_zomberg
2 months ago#46
then you need to stop with this "it would have sold more than the gamecube and xbox" delusion as well.
because no way in f***ing hell would that be possible. thats just pure, unfiltered, unadulterated bulls*** of the highest quality.

and again, SA on dc is the worst version of the game. and so is mvc2.
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User Info: ROB45

ROB45
2 months ago#47
dr_zomberg posted...
it was outdated on the important parts. like the ability to put more polygons on screen (ie, better graphics, which was ALL THAT MATTERED AT THE TIME (fanboys of each, 2001) and disc capacity).
lets not forget there was a quiet update on ps2s that increased its mhz from 294 to 299, dc remained at 200.

to put it in metaphor: the DC struck the iceberg that was the ps2, it was a mathematical certainty that it will sink. the gamecube and xbox were extra weights that made it sank faster.
and thus died the dreamcast, a noble but feeble attempt to recapture the market with a plethora of late ports, awesome exclusives, and mediocre games.

You seem to have your facts wrong. The Dreamcast outperformed the PS2 many times during the period they coexisted. There is far more to a system than cpu clock speed.

User Info: dr_zomberg

dr_zomberg
2 months ago#48
ROB45 posted...
The Dreamcast outperformed the PS2 many times during the period they coexisted. There is far more to a system than cpu clock speed.



name them.
because last i checked, the ps2 existed all the way to 2013. the dc ceased to exist in 2001. 3 years after launch in jp and 2 measly years elsewhere.


and i want to know if you two were even born when the system came out.
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User Info: ROB45

ROB45
2 months ago#49
dr_zomberg posted...
ROB45 posted...
The Dreamcast outperformed the PS2 many times during the period they coexisted. There is far more to a system than cpu clock speed.



name them.
because last i checked, the ps2 existed all the way to 2013. the dc ceased to exist in 2001. 3 years after launch in jp and 2 measly years elsewhere.


and i want to know if you two were even born when the system came out.

Obviously.
http://wars.locopuyo.com/cwsystemspecsold.php
Spec comparison. Notice how there are several aspects that Dreamcast had advantages in.

User Info: dr_zomberg

dr_zomberg
2 months ago#50
one is irrelevant and the others are minimal.
name one dc game that looks better than metal gear solid 2, or gta 3.
neither game could run on dc.

this blind fanboyism for the dc is getting annoying. accept the fact the dreamcast´s legacy was good, not great, and move on.

as for the topic, no, wu and dc are nothing alike. nintendo still exists. sega as a system maker, doesnt (and i dont think it exists as we knew it anymore).
both systems had thei high and lows, but so did every other f***ing system ever released. even the virtual boy. wario land is f***ing excellent.
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