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User Info: DvoloS88

DvoloS88
4 years ago#11
thehelpfulgamer posted...
NO! No. No. Stop right there. I shouldn't have to go outside of the game to understand the non-sense that's going on. I didn't finish school hoping my ****ing video games would start giving me homework. And I could maybe, just MAYBE forgiving them if the game told me what books I should be reading, along with where I can find the latest batch of action figures and other Halo merchandise, you know, not trying to hide the fact that they want you to buy more Halo stuff.

But they don't.

You just walk in and it's all, "Hey Librarian, got an exposition dump for me?" "Sure thing, Chief!" *ploop* "Did you get all that, player? Don't worry, I know you did, but like any true Halo fan you've read the books, am I right? If you haven't, well, too bad. Also, you don't fight a Scarab because that would be somewhat exciting. And we've taken care of the usual annoying final boss fight." *wink*

And while I'm ranting, why does John instantly know how to drive a Mantis? Are the controls the same as an Atari 2600, or something? So simple you can't screw it up?

/rant


How about you download halo wp for FREE and watch the mini cg videos you collect from campaign... Plenty of back story there, ill admit i was confused as hell for a bit

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4 years ago#12
Cpt_of_Industry posted...
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User Info: enterthemadrox

enterthemadrox
4 years ago#13
Demigod_Elessar posted...
There's a bunch of "Waaaaaah" in this topic.


Not really.

A lot of people aren't dedicated die hard fans who go buying every book and item just because of the Halo name, they only play the games and get alienated if you need to get reading materials between games.

It's like the Zelda games, to the die hard fans of the series like myself, we can get stuff like Hyrule Historia and know what the official timelines are from the creators and developers themselves but they have the sense to drop massive hints in the games so people who aren't that into it still have a sense of what's going on because of info placed within the game itself.

It'd be like going to see the new Die Hard movie, watching McClane and his son tear up Russia with no introduction to his son early on and no indication of who he is and what they're doing in Russia throughout the movie and forcing people to go read something to understand it.

Star Wars is another good example. I only care about the main movies but if people wanna get deeper into that universe, they can and not knowing who some briefly mentioned person is doesn't affect your movie experience.
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User Info: DvoloS88

DvoloS88
4 years ago#14
enterthemadrox posted...
Demigod_Elessar posted...
There's a bunch of "Waaaaaah" in this topic.


Not really.

A lot of people aren't dedicated die hard fans who go buying every book and item just because of the Halo name, they only play the games and get alienated if you need to get reading materials between games.

It's like the Zelda games, to the die hard fans of the series like myself, we can get stuff like Hyrule Historia and know what the official timelines are from the creators and developers themselves but they have the sense to drop massive hints in the games so people who aren't that into it still have a sense of what's going on because of info placed within the game itself.

It'd be like going to see the new Die Hard movie, watching McClane and his son tear up Russia with no introduction to his son early on and no indication of who he is and what they're doing in Russia throughout the movie and forcing people to go read something to understand it.

Star Wars is another good example. I only care about the main movies but if people wanna get deeper into that universe, they can and not knowing who some briefly mentioned person is doesn't affect your movie experience.


Ill say it again, halo waypoint for FREE provides plenty of back story check it out its FREE

User Info: ssj3blade

ssj3blade
4 years ago#15
OP is mad.

John knows how to drive a Mantis because he has Cortana embedded in his brain who, being a pretty powerful AI, could probably figure it out.
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User Info: EDarien

EDarien
4 years ago#16
enterthemadrox posted...

[words before my point]

The Gears 3 plot can be summed up as thus:

* [your first part]

* [your second]

* [part 3 of GoW 3 "story"]

* Off to find some fuel now! Oh no, Dom died and we had to escape to a city destroyed by COG early in the locust invasion, meet Ice T briefly, do a fetch quest for him then quickly leave and go to an abandoned port to find spare parts for a submarine. Got them? Good, lets shoot at killer fish until we get under that man-made cyclone and onto an island no one knew about until earlier in this chapter.

* Tropical island with lots of sun once we shut off the cyclone machine, no time for a tan though, we gotta fight to the top of a tower then kill the queen, still no idea why she's human or why she wants to kill fellow humans. Now Marcus watches his dad die after spending most of the game searching for him. Locust and lambent are dead and so is the queen so hooray, game over.


Could've done w/ some spoiler tags. I put them in the quote myself. but yeah. Not all of us have gotten around to Gears 3, yet.

But GoW is an interesting example. It and Halo are very similar, to me, for following a set storyline, but leaving out some important stuff. Like you say in Gears, (my memory from 1 and 2 as I haven't played 3) we know there's some queen, but still not what the Locust are and why she/they are trying to kill humanity. We sure as heck don't know what the Lambent are, but at the end of 2 it can be inferred that the Queen controls them and they might be a bigger part of her plan and the Locust just pawns until she was ready to unleash them? or how they might or not be related to the Locust.

We also aren't exactly told why the rest of humanity hates the COGs, just that it's implied that collateral damage in the war lead to a class system. It's all hinted at, though, and never really explained what's really going on. It just seems very "Locust appear. They destroyed cities. Some people are big, beefy "COGs" and have armor. Most of humanity isn't like that and are useless in the war. Kill Locust. Have fun. Don't think about it too much."

Halo was similar. Also, Halo 3 seemed like they might leave MC out of Halo 4, or at least shift views. But we got John back and a new villain, who's barely explained at all, much less why he has "The Force" and Jedi mind tricks the Covenant and Prometheans alike, and the lack of any real bosses/scarab situations did make the game feel overall less epic than the others.

I myself looked a bit up on Halo wikis, but I enjoy doing that for things from time to time. SW, Harry Potter, etc. Lot of neat expanded universe stuff. But someone shouldn't have to do that to understand the plot of the main media, in this case Halo video games. As someone pointed out, you can look up the characters, etc. from SW, but you don't have to in order to watch and follow the main 6 films.
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User Info: thedeerzord

thedeerzord
4 years ago#17
Demigod_Elessar posted...
There's a bunch of "Waaaaaah" in this topic.

Even if you don't read books (which I'm assuming is the whole point of this argument?), just look up the plot summaries on Halopedia. There you go, problem solved. You could know and understand the story/info on any of the novels in maybe 5 minutes.

Seriously people, it's not *that* hard.

In the argument's defense... you can't expect them to put EVERY SINGLE THING that happens in Halo fiction in the games? Do you actually expect that to happen? Are you saying, just because it is an inconvenience for you (of having to read a book), the rest of us (who actually do read) shouldn't be able to delve deep into a universe's lore? Because not everything is in the game?

Do you really expect 343 Industries to have explained EVERYTHING that has happened since Halo 3's campaign, all in Halo 4? It's just not going to happen, so you may as well stop expecting it to.

There is nothing wrong with using other forms of media. Halo: Glasslands and Halo: The Thursday War, while leading to Halo 4's plot, have absolutely nothing to do with Halo 4 itself. How strange would it be if Lasky sat down and randomly explained to the Chief everything that happened in those two books, in a cutscene? Hell, Lasky probably doesn't even know of half of those events. It wouldn't make any sense, and would have nothing to do with the plot at that time. That's the whole reason of the books.


Did you even read the books? I have read Glasslands and The Thursday war. And they actaully explain the origins of the Storm Covenant, Jul Mdama, Infinity, Osman, and even Del Rio and Lasky. If you actually read the books and pay attention to them. You understand the plot completely.
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User Info: SrgtStalker

SrgtStalker
4 years ago#18
VectorChaos posted...
Jashin_Sama posted...
You guys didn't notice you need to read the books and comics to figure out Halo when Halo 3 picked up exactly where Halo 2 didn't leave off?


If only I didn't have to read the entire book though. If only there was a place that just had all this information, summarized by others for quick reading if neccessary... like some... interconnected... network... of people...


^this right here^ and let's be honest, if you really do love the story that much and want to know what happened you would read the books. Also, I don't even remember seeing anything that had to do with the books in 4. Even the people who read the books were confused that the Didact was the antagonist, we don't know what happened to him either, not until the new book comes out in March (I think) anyways. But really guys, just look it up, couldn't hurt taking 10 minutes out of your life to read some stuff real quick.
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User Info: thedeerzord

thedeerzord
4 years ago#19
EDarien posted...
enterthemadrox posted...

[words before my point]

The Gears 3 plot can be summed up as thus:

* [your first part]

* [your second]

* [part 3 of GoW 3 "story"]

* Off to find some fuel now! Oh no, Dom died and we had to escape to a city destroyed by COG early in the locust invasion, meet Ice T briefly, do a fetch quest for him then quickly leave and go to an abandoned port to find spare parts for a submarine. Got them? Good, lets shoot at killer fish until we get under that man-made cyclone and onto an island no one knew about until earlier in this chapter.

* Tropical island with lots of sun once we shut off the cyclone machine, no time for a tan though, we gotta fight to the top of a tower then kill the queen, still no idea why she's human or why she wants to kill fellow humans. Now Marcus watches his dad die after spending most of the game searching for him. Locust and lambent are dead and so is the queen so hooray, game over.


Could've done w/ some spoiler tags. I put them in the quote myself. but yeah. Not all of us have gotten around to Gears 3, yet.

But GoW is an interesting example. It and Halo are very similar, to me, for following a set storyline, but leaving out some important stuff. Like you say in Gears, (my memory from 1 and 2 as I haven't played 3) we know there's some queen, but still not what the Locust are and why she/they are trying to kill humanity. We sure as heck don't know what the Lambent are, but at the end of 2 it can be inferred that the Queen controls them and they might be a bigger part of her plan and the Locust just pawns until she was ready to unleash them? or how they might or not be related to the Locust.

We also aren't exactly told why the rest of humanity hates the COGs, just that it's implied that collateral damage in the war lead to a class system. It's all hinted at, though, and never really explained what's really going on. It just seems very "Locust appear. They destroyed cities. Some people are big, beefy "COGs" and have armor. Most of humanity isn't like that and are useless in the war. Kill Locust. Have fun. Don't think about it too much."

Halo was similar. Also, Halo 3 seemed like they might leave MC out of Halo 4, or at least shift views. But we got John back and a new villain, who's barely explained at all, much less why he has "The Force" and Jedi mind tricks the Covenant and Prometheans alike, and the lack of any real bosses/scarab situations did make the game feel overall less epic than the others.

I myself looked a bit up on Halo wikis, but I enjoy doing that for things from time to time. SW, Harry Potter, etc. Lot of neat expanded universe stuff. But someone shouldn't have to do that to understand the plot of the main media, in this case Halo video games. As someone pointed out, you can look up the characters, etc. from SW, but you don't have to in order to watch and follow the main 6 films.


The reason The Didact has "The Force" is because theyre Forerunners. They have God like technology and managed to make 2 super weapons that can put Humans between the digital and organic realms and a a giant ring that can destroy all life in the Galaxy.
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User Info: SrgtStalker

SrgtStalker
4 years ago#20
To the comment regarding the Didact having the force,

As an immensely powerful Forerunner with incredibly advanced technologies at his disposal, the Didact has a number of extraordinary abilities. He has the capability to generate and control powerful constraint fields at will,[26] in effect granting him the power of telekinesis to restrain or physically harm his opponents. This was demonstrated when he used this ability on John-117, immobilizing him and causing him to float helplessly in the air, before throwing him against a wall.[15] Later, during the confrontation aboard his ship, he inflicted direct physical harm on the Spartan, who was only saved by Cortana's intervention.[27]
He can also manipulate the architecture of areas under his control, such as within Requiem or his ship. For example, he disintegrated a wall John-117 was taking cover behind,[15] and later manipulated the platforms inside a tower on Requiem to hinder the Master Chief's progress.[28] He has direct control over his mechanical Promethean armies, and was capable of returning them to his command with a mere gesture.[15] The Didact was also capable of speaking to John-117 via a form of telepathy after the latter received the Librarian's genetic modifications; whether this is an innate biological ability or one facilitated by technology remains unknown.[28]

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