Is STAB a factor for determining tier?

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User Info: Saintpara

Saintpara
5 years ago#11
Cacturne: 115 special attack, 120 power Sucker Punch
Houndoom: 110 special attack, Nasty Plot, 120 power Sucker punch
Zoroark: 120 special attack, Nasty Plot, 120 Sucker Punch


I did a little thinking and... I cant be SURE, but I feel like these kids could make some waves as the best priority attacks. Or... are they? Im not sure if Techni-STAB Mach Punch for Breloom is scarier than STAB Sucker Punch from Zoroark or Cacturne. Stay tuned for damage calcs!
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pkmnpkmn
5 years ago#12
and thats better than

Absol base 130 attack, 120 power physical sucker punch?
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LHS_2012
5 years ago#13
pkmnpkmn posted...
and thats better than

Absol base 130 attack, 120 power physical sucker punch?


Well it's less predictable.
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Saintpara
5 years ago#14
Dark Pulse is the same exact power as Sucker Punch so I used it to make this easier.

252 SpAtk Zoroark (+SpAtk) Dark Pulse vs 0 HP/0 SpDef Snivy: 95.24% - 112.12%
68.75% chance to OHKO

252 Atk Technician Breloom (+Atk) Mach Punch vs 0 HP/0 Def Snivy: 75.76% - 89.61%
2 hits to KO

252 Atk Technician Scizor (+Atk) Bullet Punch vs 0 HP/0 Def Snivy: 75.76% - 89.61%
2 hits to KO


So IF the switch were reversed, Zoroark has the most powerful priority attack outside of Ubers. He can combine it with Nasty Plot, Flamethrower and, I believe, the now best Pursuit in standard if you wanted to run two dark attacks.
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Saintpara
5 years ago#15
pkmnpkmn posted...
and thats better than

Absol base 130 attack, 120 power physical sucker punch?


Except we're discussing a world with Gen 3 mechanics, and Sucker Punch is special. Being special changes the landscape of its coverage considerably.
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jondias
5 years ago#16
It doesn't look like the real reason has been mentioned yet.

At least for Smogon's tiers, the only factor for OU is usage statistics. I forget what the cutoff is (it used to be something like being featured in at least 3.5% of battles), but anything above that number is OU and the ones below it are not. Aside from Ubers which are dealt with in their own fashion.
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