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Can I build a $400 pc that will out - muscle a PS4?
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Slayn posted...I am going to say the same thing that I used to put in my sig:
What you don't seem to understand is that a 7850 in a computer and a 7850 in a PS4 will not run the same. A console is going to be FAR more efficient. If you took the equivalent hardware of a ps4 and put it in a PC, it will not run the same. A PC has to run Windows, and a PC is not going to be as efficient due to a PS4 game being programmed exclusively for a PS4. Kind of like how the SteamOS is supposed to be far more efficient with hardware for gaming than Windows.
Just because I am arguing this fact doesn't make me a console fanboy. I have a PS3 and I used it for 3 games, RDR, Demons Souls, and MGS4. I am about 99% sure I will not be buying a PS4. I have a $2000 high end PC with a 1440p monitor that smashes the PS4. I have been an amateur PC builder for 15 years. I just have seen it all, and you will not run games as smoothly as a PS4 with $400-600.
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So, console players get cheaper hardware that performs sub-par for less money and spend WAY more on games, while PC users build a system that costs more, directly to the exact specs they wish (which are also upgradable) and spend WAY less on games, saving money in the long run.
Define "WAY more" and "WAY less". The average price difference between PC and consoles when games are on sale is about $10 ($5 on the old stuff, $15 on the newer). They're very similar in price when they're not on sale. Couple that with the fact that you can recoup most of your funds through resale and you're gaming just as cheap, if not cheaper.
PlaystationNetwork usually has pretty good deals on digital downloads and Amazon just started a store section that sells digital Playstation codes. Hopefully, comparing game prices will soon be a wash.
overkillwfo1978 posted...So, console players get cheaper hardware that performs sub-par for less money and spend WAY more on games, while PC users build a system that costs more, directly to the exact specs they wish (which are also upgradable) and spend WAY less on games, saving money in the long run.
i remember a recent topic where a couple of console fanboys(or maybe it was just one) got completely destroyed by trying to argue they somehow got comparable deals on console by arguing absolute crap with tons of anecdotes that wouldn't do s*** for other people other than themselves.
eg. having to get rid of your games in order to match the savings for PC games is NOT a benefit(oh look, i'm saving so much money but i'll just browse YT since i have no games left to play) and managing to find garage sales in local parts of town wouldn't benefit any other console gamer in the slightest compared to any PC gamer in the world who can visit a site like www.humblebundle.com right now and score a bunch of quality titles for a fiver.
as for digital sales they're a joke in comparison to PC sales since they're nowhere near the same breadth in variety and pricing(especially with game bundles)... also, to get access to the truly good deals on PSN you have to be a member of ps+.
PC hardware doesn't need to match console hardware in price when PC gamers save literal thousands from the software they buy.
Yeah I have one if those builds thrown around before ps4 release that's supposed to be more powerful. The 6300/7850 build. Yeah. It's not. I have AC4 and BF4 for both PC and PS4 and it's not close. AC4 is medium with screen tearing galore and B4 is a stuttering mess on my PC. Both play fine on ps4.
I won't say your experience is less than ideal but I see two problems with your argument, one for each game.
If you're getting screen tearing it means you need to turn on vsync. No two ways about it, and an FPS cap is nowhere near a substitute. Just because you're running a game at 60fps on a 60hz monitor doesn't mean the refresh rate and the frames produced are in sync. That's why vsync is called vsync and not frame target or frame limit. The game also only runs at 30fps on the PS4 so you might get a smoother experience with vsync and a frame limit of 30.
As for BF4, it is known to have issues with windows 7 which you listed in your pcpartpicker link. Unless you've updated to 8 I would place the blame on your OS and not a lack of hardware, though someone did say the game doesn't like 6 threaded processors so that may play a part as well though I can't confirm. You could also get a performance boost by dropping down to 1600x900 which is what the PS4 runs the game at.
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guess you missed the part where he said controllers, os, monitor, keyboard/mouse etc is a separate budget
Should be able to manage something at that price. Maybe want to save up another $100 or so and work toward the cheaper i5s and a 270. My system was built about 18 months ago for $510 and reused a hard drive. Has an i3, 4 ggs of ram and a 7870. Ram's gotten more expensive, but the 270 costs as much as $40 less than I paid for my 7870 at the time and is the exact same card. The i5 would be hard to get into that budget, but you could likely swing for one of AMD's newer 6 cores, instead. Not quite as strong as my i3 in some circumstances, but they're starting to outmuscle intel in multiplayer games, at the low end.
And, if nothing else, you can always skimp a bit on your HDD and just get a bigger one later. I reused an old 500GB and just recently got the 1tb drive out of my parents' desktop when they replaced it. Should be able to get a 320 or 500 on the cheap, they go on sale constantly on newegg.
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AMD FX-6300 109.99
Radeon R9 270 $179.99
or other cheap case
Sata 3 Harddrive 30$
Windows Vista 64bit $16
3*2gb ddr3 $32
$418(with Linux)-432$(with OS)
I personally prefer intel cpus so
Would be my choice even though the gpu is weaker the cpu is much better and probably helps with tearing due to weak ram/cpu.
AMD FX-6300 109.99
You managed to build one @_@ although I am not sure how long it would take before crappy psu to blow up the build
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