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User Info: gideond

gideond
2 months ago#11
Amuseum posted...
The silver Sidewinder is still my main controller for old games. All the PS/Xbox controllers feel crappy. Xbox in particular really hurt the thumbs.

Modem serial port allows two computers to connect directly, via a communications program-- HyperTerminal for instance. Probably modem handles crossover automatically; Otherwise you need crossover cable called null modem. Not sure if these ports work with joysticks.

Usually sound cards come with ports for gaming controllers. So these ports absolutely work with gamepads and joysticks, and advertised as added value for gamers.

Sound cards used to (and may still) have a MIDI port for connecting various types of musical equipment. A lot of older PC controller use that same connection, the Sidewinder included. Not sure if modern cards still have a MIDI port. Been ages since I've had a dedicated sound card.

Edit: looks like several cheap sound cards still available with MIDI ports. Personally I'd go with a Gameport to USB adapter instead so you don't have to worry about introducing unneeded devices and drivers to the system.
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pyromania86
2 months ago#12
I used to use a sidewinder on my parents Pentium 4 to play all the old TR and NFS games. Was the best controller for its time. Unsure how it would work with todays games but I believe it was compatible with everything I played in the late 90s/early 2000s including Vice City.
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User Info: gideond

gideond
2 months ago#13
pyromania86 posted...
I used to use a sidewinder on my parents Pentium 4 to play all the old TR and NFS games. Was the best controller for its time. Unsure how it would work with todays games but I believe it was compatible with everything I played in the late 90s/early 2000s including Vice City.

Yeah i don't recall any problems with compatibility and it was indeed one of the best PC controllers you could get at the time. The D-pad truly is the worst part about it. Sucked for fight games.
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User Info: KFHEWUI

KFHEWUI
2 months ago#14
gideond posted...
Why a Sidewinder anyway?


I installed RE, and under the control tab it mentioned SideWinder. I found a cheap one on Ebay that includes a copy of Virtua Fighter 1.

Currently have a Steelseries controller, but it is worn out.

https://www.amazon.com/SteelSeries-Dual-Vibration-Gaming-Controller/dp/B0036WTVNG

That one except it does not rumble. Tried to use with TR 2, but it does not work. Plus whatever is mapped to the D-Pad would be mapped to the Left Stick same as the face buttons and Right Stick.
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wildog2006
2 months ago#15
gideond posted...
I'd agree that the XBONE controller has a better D-pad if that is a primary concern. It's not the easiest to get working either over BT, but wired it's pretty straight forward.

It's the exact same process as pairing any bluetooth device. The only way it could be remotely difficult is if you've never paired a bluetooth device before.
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gideond
2 months ago#16
wildog2006 posted...
gideond posted...
I'd agree that the XBONE controller has a better D-pad if that is a primary concern. It's not the easiest to get working either over BT, but wired it's pretty straight forward.

It's the exact same process as pairing any bluetooth device. The only way it could be remotely difficult is if you've never paired a bluetooth device before.

It certainly should be the same. But first you have to connect it via USB and download the XBOX Accessories app from the Windows Store to update the firmware of the controller. Then you can disconnect it from USB and Pair it via Bluetooth. Of course a lot of times it takes ages to pair for some reason, even when using one of the most highly compatible BT dongles on the market. I finally got mine paired after it synced for about 10 minutes. Didn't work worth a crap. Kept dropping signal and wasn't recognized in Steam at all even though I could calibrate it in Windows. I had to unpair, re-pair, and reboot the computer several times and finally it magically started working correctly and has been fine ever since. With my Dualshock 4 I press a button on the controller click Pair in Windows and less than a minute later I'm paired and working perfectly. I'd think there was something wrong on my end if there weren't countless other people with similar issues. A lot of them end up buying the MS Wireless dongle instead, but a lot of them have issues with that as well. I expect Windows 10 to be finicky, but I figured they'd have better support for their own hardware.
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The cranky hermit 2 months ago#17
gideond posted...
The DS4 is actually very easy to get setup now, but you do still need a third party program to get it working outside of Steam, which has native support.

DS4 works fine for me without a third party program. It shows up as "wireless controller." The only annoying thing about it is that my audio device automatically switches to the headset (even though I haven't even got one) and I have to manually switch it back to the speakers.

KFHEWUI posted...
I installed RE, and under the control tab it mentioned SideWinder.

It's mentioned because that was one of the best available to PCs at the time. There are far better options now.
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gideond
2 months ago#18
It may work natively now. I haven't used the DS4 on my PC in a while. I was on Win10 Pro with upgrades deferred so I just got the Creators Update a couple weeks ago. I think that's the update that added native DS4 support.
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kelemvor
2 months ago#19
ElDudorino posted...
Haha, I remember that thing! I used to use it with emulators in the 90s because I didn't have anything better. It had such an awkward D-Pad that made the diagonals too prominent. Once I got an adapter for PS2 controllers on PC I never looked back.

I'm pretty sure the Sidewinder uses DirectInput so you'd need an XInput wrapper to use it with anything modern. Meanwhile, DOS didn't use DirectX so you'd probably need a mapper as gideond mentioned if you wanted to use it there. You know, something to make it so that pressing button 1 simulates pressing a on your keyboard, button 2 presses s, button 3 presses d, etc. and then you could play anything that 'requires' a keyboard. However, most DOS games also didn't allow you to set your own controls, so you might have to set up a mapper profile for each different game.


If we're talking about "prominent diagonals", then we have to mention the Gravis Gamepad.
http://atariage.com/forums/uploads/monthly_01_2014/post-5654-0-59730400-1389384530.jpg

This is the controller that I had, mainly to play the Commander Keen games and Apogee shareware.

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ElDudorino
2 months ago#20
Oh man, the Gravis Gamepad, that was like the official controller of the IBM PC for a while. It was the Sound Blaster 16 of gamepads. And it was probably plugged into a lot of Sound Blaster 16s, now that I think about it, making for the ultimate 90s experience.

I always found it a bit ridiculous how few buttons controllers had in those days. I think that's why I bought the Sidewinder, actually.
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