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User Info: anonymous46773

anonymous46773
3 weeks ago#31
Even a game like Hearthstone, which has RNG coming out the ass, still rewards the most skilled players. There's a reason people like Trump can keep maxing out his wins in the arena and I struggle to get past even my third or fourth win.
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User Info: Hi C

Hi C
3 weeks ago#32
anonymous46773 posted...
Even a game like Hearthstone, which has RNG coming out the ass, still rewards the most skilled players. There's a reason people like Trump can keep maxing out his wins in the arena and I struggle to get past even my third or fourth win.


Skill is the physical execution of knowledge. Hearthstone is a knowledge and RNG game, not a skill game. Unless you're a quadriplegic who can't beat the input timer.
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User Info: Orestes417

Orestes417
3 weeks ago#33
Hi C posted...
anonymous46773 posted...
Even a game like Hearthstone, which has RNG coming out the ass, still rewards the most skilled players. There's a reason people like Trump can keep maxing out his wins in the arena and I struggle to get past even my third or fourth win.


Skill is the physical execution of knowledge. Hearthstone is a knowledge and RNG game, not a skill game. Unless you're a quadriplegic who can't beat the input timer.


Not according to the dictionary it's not.
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User Info: DarkZV2Beta

DarkZV2Beta
3 weeks ago#34
Hi C posted...
DarkZV2Beta posted...
Silvererazor posted...
The thing is, that there is no such thing as "noskill"-multiplayer game. Simple mechanics? Easy to pick up? Yes. But in a multiplayergame as long as every player has the same tools(characters) and/or the tools are well balanced, the skilled player wins ( in general).
Even in games like pong, which need zero skill to pick up, the better player wins.

Technically, a game that is 100% luck with no determinant player input would be essentially noskill. For example, "flip a coin" game with a 50/50 chance. Both players have the same tools, but neither one can influence the outcome.
Not many games go that route, though, because it's not very fun.


Why not? It's not the game that makes the player have fun, most of the time, it's the people they play with or against.

So why waste money on a game? Go and throw sticks in the mud or whatever.
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User Info: theswatleader

theswatleader
3 weeks ago#35
Saying overwatch doesn't require skill is incredibly ignorant. Cant just jump in and compete at any rank. And usually the ults are meant to be over powered and useful, but arent the entire game. Just potential game changers. Not guranteed

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pothocket
3 weeks ago#36
Hi C posted...
anonymous46773 posted...
Even a game like Hearthstone, which has RNG coming out the ass, still rewards the most skilled players. There's a reason people like Trump can keep maxing out his wins in the arena and I struggle to get past even my third or fourth win.


Skill is the physical execution of knowledge. Hearthstone is a knowledge and RNG game, not a skill game. Unless you're a quadriplegic who can't beat the input timer.


Playing the odds is a skill
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User Info: SergeantPenguin

SergeantPenguin
3 weeks ago#37
Saying Overwatch takes no skill is absurd. What about reaper's ult, or junkrat's, diva's, pharah's and solider's?

User Info: Hi C

Hi C
3 weeks ago#38
DarkZV2Beta posted...
Hi C posted...
DarkZV2Beta posted...
Silvererazor posted...
The thing is, that there is no such thing as "noskill"-multiplayer game. Simple mechanics? Easy to pick up? Yes. But in a multiplayergame as long as every player has the same tools(characters) and/or the tools are well balanced, the skilled player wins ( in general).
Even in games like pong, which need zero skill to pick up, the better player wins.

Technically, a game that is 100% luck with no determinant player input would be essentially noskill. For example, "flip a coin" game with a 50/50 chance. Both players have the same tools, but neither one can influence the outcome.
Not many games go that route, though, because it's not very fun.


Why not? It's not the game that makes the player have fun, most of the time, it's the people they play with or against.

So why waste money on a game? Go and throw sticks in the mud or whatever.


Because gaming has been a fad for 10 years and throwing sticks in the mud hasn't.
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User Info: Fade2black001

Fade2black001
3 weeks ago#39
Orestes417 posted...
Nazanir posted...
Hi C posted...
Silvererazor posted...
The thing is, that there is no such thing as "noskill"-multiplayer game. Simple mechanics? Easy to pick up? Yes. But in a multiplayergame as long as every player has the same tools(characters) and/or the tools are well balanced, the skilled player wins ( in general).
Even in games like pong, which need zero skill to pick up, the better player wins.


This is 100% false.

So, why not explain why it is false?


Outside of absurd cases like the coin flip scenario, you're always going to end up with the more skilled player winning over a large enough sample size. Even in games with massive amounts of luck like poker there's a large difference between a skilled player and a novice and that difference becomes readily apparent the larger the sample size gets. A bad player might get lucky over a skilled player, but they're not going to sustain that luck very long..

Have you ever played poker with other people for money? Poker is about read people and guessing what hand they have and try to think your hand is better when its not, AKA bluffing. Poker is mostly a skill game not luck.
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User Info: Orestes417

Orestes417
3 weeks ago#40
Fade2black001 posted...
Orestes417 posted...
Nazanir posted...
Hi C posted...
Silvererazor posted...
The thing is, that there is no such thing as "noskill"-multiplayer game. Simple mechanics? Easy to pick up? Yes. But in a multiplayergame as long as every player has the same tools(characters) and/or the tools are well balanced, the skilled player wins ( in general).
Even in games like pong, which need zero skill to pick up, the better player wins.


This is 100% false.

So, why not explain why it is false?


Outside of absurd cases like the coin flip scenario, you're always going to end up with the more skilled player winning over a large enough sample size. Even in games with massive amounts of luck like poker there's a large difference between a skilled player and a novice and that difference becomes readily apparent the larger the sample size gets. A bad player might get lucky over a skilled player, but they're not going to sustain that luck very long..

Have you ever played poker with other people for money? Poker is about read people and guessing what hand they have and try to think your hand is better when its not, AKA bluffing. Poker is mostly a skill game not luck.


Yet luck plays a huge part as well.
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