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User Info: PSP_H0mebrew

PSP_H0mebrew
1 month ago#1
If they don't label these lootboxes as gambling.
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User Info: cody4783

cody4783
1 month ago#2
Technically speaking, it doesn't meet definition #1 of Gambling, in terms of "Playing games to win money". They just didn't bother to read further down to the "Taking risks to achieve a desired result".

Yeah, I know it's gambling, you know it's gambling. But they're f***wits and get to say it's not gambling so people can continue to feign ignorance to it.

Basically, it's not "Gambling" in the same way that Japan doesn't consider Pachinko "Gambling". You win shiny balls! Balls aren't worth money, silly, so you just put money in and get prizes! More shiny balls! It's not gambling at all! Oh hey, there's a guy next door that REALLY likes shiny balls and is willing to trade me money and prizes for MY shiny balls! Isn't that convenient?!
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User Info: yohabroha

yohabroha
1 month ago#3
Haven’t followed the story but does the ESRB even review for gambling and do they have a system in place to change the rating because of it?
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User Info: Edavy89

Edavy89
1 month ago#4
cody4783 posted...

Basically, it's not "Gambling" in the same way that Japan doesn't consider Pachinko "Gambling". You win shiny balls! Balls aren't worth money, silly, so you just put money in and get prizes! More shiny balls! It's not gambling at all! Oh hey, there's a guy next door that REALLY likes shiny balls and is willing to trade me money and prizes for MY shiny balls! Isn't that convenient?!


That's not even close to equivalent.

User Info: Sum_quod_eris

Sum_quod_eris
1 month ago#5
It's not technically gambling. Effectively it's the same thing, though.
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User Info: wizardmon

wizardmon
1 month ago#6
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Their claim that loot boxes do not need to be signified as gambling boils down to a comparison between loot boxes and collectible card games like Pokemon or Magic the Gathering and it hinges on the idea that there is no zero result no scenario in which the player gets nothing at all you'll always get a package of content for your money even if the content held within is undesirable this position is untenable for a few reasons the first is the idea of this definition permeating the greater gambling industry if you believe that casinos would magically be off the hook of regulation and consumer protection if slot machines merely always gave you a penny or some other nominal value in every wager then you're delusional

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User Info: The_Undying_84

The_Undying_84
1 month ago#7
yohabroha posted...
Haven’t followed the story but does the ESRB even review for gambling and do they have a system in place to change the rating because of it?


Yes.

It doesn't really matter in America anyways though (which is the only country that uses the ESRB anyways). It can have a significant effect on ratings in some other countries, but not here. So it would have no effect on the game's availability anyways.

Even if they did consider it gambling, the ESRB box would just say "Gambling" in the same way it does if a game has a gambling minigames using in game currency (like say in Fallout New Vegas), it would not note that the gambling involves real money, so I'm not sure why the hell you would care because it wouldn't even be an effective warning label.
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User Info: blacknight06

blacknight06
1 month ago#8
It's not gambling. There's no fixed monetary value to what you can get out of these lootboxes.

User Info: cody4783

cody4783
1 month ago#9
Edavy89 posted...
That's not even close to equivalent.

If you couldn't tell, my post was half-sarcasm on the matter. It's similar because, you're paying money for a chance to win something shiny in-game that doesn't necesarilly have a monetary value.

I mean, yes, Pachinko balls are basically glorified poker chips, but in a similar way that Pachinko "isn't gambling" because you "Aren't winning money", loot boxes "aren't gambling" because the money you're throwing away to get a chance at something, only nets you some psuedo-imaginary item that you can't walk into a bank and cash. (Serious note: HEAVY emphasis on the things in quotes. These things skirt a grey area because they play off on a technicality of the rule).

As far as anyone is concerned to nail a name to either one, they're both effectively gambling. But in a textbook or legal sense, they aren't actually gambling per-se. It's really just a f***ed up argument over semantics at this point; Yeah, it's gambling, but it isn't...
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User Info: Jedi454

Jedi454
1 month ago#10
Sum_quod_eris posted...
It's not technically gambling. Effectively it's the same thing, though.

How can it be technically not be gambling, but be the same thing?
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