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How can program like Steam (used by millions) not have a single simple option of
Orestes417 posted...Then learn to start your steam in offline mode.
I got news for you buddy. Nothing is perfect in this world. You weigh your pros against your cons and you make your decisions from there. Stop being so whiny.
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What if I want to chat to people on my friends list? I can't do that in offline mode
Simple fix. Chat in Discord.... Less simple fix: log in to steam via a web browser and you can chat online that way. Another alternative: use a cell phone or tablet to log in to steam and chat on THAT...
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Fade2black001 posted...What if I want to chat to people on my friends list? I can't do that in offline mode
Good point about Discord. Discord is the future of PC communication, might as well get used to it.
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no you are right its really dump. people with slow internet are force to update a game that has multiplayer updates and must update just so they can play single player it happens to me all the time with dark soul n fighting games
It is a pain in the ass that you are forced to update in order to play a a game, Doom 6.66 is a 34GB update that is for online stuff only, if you want to play the single player that you already downloaded then you have to wait until you download this multiplayer patch you will never touch.
if you want to play the single player that you already downloaded then you have to wait until you download this multiplayer patch you will never touch.
That's another way they keep piracy in check too.
If you update your Multiplayer and make it so that it's required to update to play online, then pirates would have to come up with the new pirated version to stay current enough.
Then again, as you said, Pirates wouldn't have to worry about the update if they just wanted the single player.
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Dragon Nexus posted...unknown_VS posted...A lot of times updates make performance worse in my experience
This is sooo true as a GTX 780 user. also the same issues happen with driver updates. Don't know how but on this current driver Multi-Monitor use is unusable because the desktop performance is terrible for me. Moving windows etc. give me extreme stutters. Don't know which driver update caused this issue however so I can't fix it
steve_madsci posted...You can disable auto-updates, you just can't go online without the latest updates.
How is that stupid?
You do realize that most games in the history of forever have not let you mismatch version numbers when trying to play online, right?
Dragon Nexus posted...Fade2black001 posted...At least with Windows you can permanently turn them off
Yeah just like failing to get vaccinations is only a bad idea if you live in crowded areas...
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At what point does that become an issue?
The point when updates introduce unwanted changes to game mechanics/balance (Borderlands 2), significant bugs (Skyrim), and/or incompatibility with desired third-party mods and programs (Bethesda games, Diablo 2). Hell, automatic/forced updates can become an issue when they force Steam to re-check game files and "restore" any unwanted video, localization, or "redist" files you might have deleted.
So, at the end of it all, it's just another uneducated gamer ...
So no "educated" gamer would ever want to not use the most current version of a game even if the latest patch introduces changes that they abhor, and no "educated" gamer would ever want to learn about a patch before it's applied to their game?
Now with the budgets for video games getting higher and higher
And a good chunk of that is with developers and, especially, publishers, not the gamers, and as such it really shouldn't be made the gamers' problem either.
path of exile had a big performance update added to it.
Online-only games have a somewhat different standard for updates in that developers, as the ones running the game servers, have every right to dictate what version is used. They don't really have that right when it comes to offline games.
Also, any performance "updates" in Path of Exile, and many games really, are circumstantial at best. In my experience, the DX11 beta code pre-2.4 was indeed a solid performance boost, but when it went "live" with 2.4 it actually degraded game performance, often severely, in many circumstances, and everything since has been fairly marginal and just served to regain performance ground lost with 2.4.
At least with Windows you can permanently turn them off
It's just a shame that completely disabling update services isn't actually a solution. If you want Borderlands or Microsoft Office always kept up to date but want to review and even prevent updates for Borderlands 2 or your graphics card then you should have that option, but (with Windows 10 for Windows Update) you don't.
Anything that has an online component not only can but should be forcing you to update.
I disagree, especially considering how open-ended "an online component" is. Thanks to Bethesda's incorporation of their first-party mod service, and now their Credit Card fiasco waiting to happen, Fallout 4 has "an online component." Fallout 4 has zero multiplayer component, much less being an online-only game, and subsequently has no business being forcibly updated without player consent.
Even games with multiplayer components have no business auto-updating if they aren't client/server or online-only titles. If folks want to play a Borderlands 2 version pre-Bee nerf then let them, even if that means that they can only play with the two or three dozen other people that might still be playing that version.
So people who play Skyrim with SKSE, Fallout 4 with F4SE, and so on shouldn't play at all until new versions of the appropriate Script Extender is released? People playing Diablo 2 with PlugY or MeridianXL shouldn't play at all until the program/mod is updated to work with the latest version? Folks who just want an OP Bee in Borderlands 2 are "hackers?"
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Fade2black001 posted...steve_madsci posted...You can disable auto-updates, you just can't go online without the latest updates.
Yes but as another person said what if you don't want to play online and are forced to download a MP only update and its massive like the 34GB update for DOOM someone mentioned earlier and you are f***ed... 34GB for an update is beyond crazy
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