Serene Grace stack with King's Rock?

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User Info: cH053n1

cH053n1
5 years ago#1
I want to use Sawsbuck but he doesn't have any flinch moves so he does not fit into my strategy....

BUT

if Serene Grace would increase the chance of King's Rock causing a flinch... that would be sick!

so I wonder does Serene Grace stack with King's Rock?

doubt anyone really knows...

User Info: Sceptilesolar

Sceptilesolar
5 years ago#2
There are way better ways to abuse flinchhax than that...
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Number4Rocket
5 years ago#3

Sceptilesolarbeam posted...
There are way better ways to abuse flinchhax than that...
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But if he wants to go for his offskew way, then give him some adivce, bro.

-_-

User Info: kyamato

kyamato
5 years ago#4
Smogon did some investigation back in D/P days: http://www.smogon.com/dp/items/kings_rock. General gist is that flinching probability follows this formula: p + (1 - p) * 0.1 where p is the inherent chance of the item flinching. As you can see, if p = 0, then 0 + 1*0.1 = 0.1, which is true to King's rock's description.

Note however that the formula is for D/P, and it has yet to be proven the same mechanism is true for B/W. I personally think it's safe to assume so however.

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ChocoboMog123
5 years ago#5
30% extra damage from LO >>> 10% extra damage from King's Rock.
Even if it did stack with Serene Grace, LO would be better.
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User Info: cH053n1

cH053n1
5 years ago#6
whoops misses this section of the description on bulbapedia
" It does not, however, improve the chance of item effects." - http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Serene_Grace

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AdmiralQball
5 years ago#7
Plus Serene Grace Sawsbuck doesn't exist. 5th gen DW pokes aren't available in DW.
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User Info: Lord_Muhznit

Lord_Muhznit
5 years ago#8
I'm pretty damn sure SG DOES affect King's Rock's flinch rate at least. My flinchsparce has performed unusualy well as of late. Even still, 60% flinch chance is pretty cool.

ChocoboMog123 posted...
30% extra damage from LO >>> 10% extra damage from King's Rock.
Even if it did stack with Serene Grace, LO would be better.


1. It's a Flinch chance, not extra damage.
2. King's Rock stacks with flinching moves now, so Dunsparce's Headbutt has at least a 70% flinch rate.
3. 0 damage from inflicting flinch 3 turns in a row> losing 30% HP in that same time period.
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