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User Info: Scrooge_McDuck

Scrooge_McDuck
5 years ago#61
Raze_da_Kitsune posted...
Also another quick point I want to throw in as that Hackett knew going into the attack that this was going to be the battle to end the war whether they won or lost. There is NO reason for them to leave if the Crucible doesn't work. Why wouldn't you save the one man that made any of it possible?

A bomb that may or may not cripple the enemy force is about to go off. Do you really want to hang around when that happens? What if it blows up everyone? What if it cripples only half of enemy's fleet? What if it also cripples your own fleet more than the enemy's?

An temporary retreat is the soundest option. If the Crubicle doesn't work, then they could swoop back in and have their last stand. If it works and there are remnants of the Reaper forces, then they would gain a big advantage on the upcoming battle. If it actually destroys everything near it indiscriminately, then having millions of survivors is better then having none at all.

See. Hackett did say that he doesn't want to lose Shepard, but that doesn't mean that he's the only one he doesn't want to lose.

User Info: Fusioncode99

Fusioncode99
5 years ago#62
trigin12 posted...
From: Fusioncode99 | #058
He knew that the Crucible will destroy the Reapers, and I'm pretty sure there are Reapers outside of earth. Meaning this attack would span the entire galaxy, so the fleet would not be able to avoid no matter how far they got. Their only option is to use it and hope for the best.

No, he believed it would be a weapon they could use on the Reapers. He knew there was no guarantee it would kill them or even harm them.


What else would it do besides harm them? Bake them a platter of cookies? If Hackett had formed coherent thoughts then he would have realized that ordering your fleet to evacuate would make no difference, no matter how far they got, the weapon would either kill them or not. It all depends on if the crucible would hurt organics or not.

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Raze_da_Kitsune
5 years ago#63
From: Scrooge_McDuck | #061
Raze_da_Kitsune posted...
Also another quick point I want to throw in as that Hackett knew going into the attack that this was going to be the battle to end the war whether they won or lost. There is NO reason for them to leave if the Crucible doesn't work. Why wouldn't you save the one man that made any of it possible?

A bomb that may or may not cripple the enemy force is about to go off. Do you really want to hang around when that happens? What if it blows up everyone? What if it cripples only half of enemy's fleet? What if it also cripples your own fleet more than the enemy's?

An temporary retreat is the soundest option. If the Crubicle doesn't work, then they could swoop back in and have their last stand. If it works and there are remnants of the Reaper forces, then they would gain a big advantage on the upcoming battle. If it actually destroys everything near it indiscriminately, then having millions of survivors is better then having none at all.

See. Hackett did say that he doesn't want to lose Shepard, but that doesn't mean that he's the only one he doesn't want to lose.


While that all sounds pretty solid when brought up by us it just doesn't work in this situation. They're desparate. They don't know wtf the damn thing's gonna do or even if it'll work. Its do or die for them. Hackett says that himself.
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phoenix52
5 years ago#64
Further, the Reapers had gathered above Earth. It's just as reasonable to assume that, since the majority of their forces were gathered in one location Hackett decided to activate the Crucible there and take out as many as he could at one time.

There isn't just one way to interpret these things.
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Iokua
5 years ago#65
Fusioncode99 posted...
phoenix52 posted...
Fusioncode99 posted...
Iokua posted...
Raze_da_Kitsune posted...
Out of character for HACKETT not people in general dude. Are you not getting that part?

Which statement are we talking?


Yes, I know, we're talking about Hackett; the highest ranking military officer in the Alliance. I am fully aware of this.

We're talking about the last one I made, that you're flat out admitting that you think Hackett would be willing to **** over every man, woman and child that live and ever will live in the Milky Way just to make sure Shepard lives.


The crucible weapon was already activated so how would the fleet leaving earth be able to save every man, woman, and child. Hackett isn't going to be able to avoid the galaxy-wide attack so what's the point of him and joker running away to the rendezvous point. If the crucible attack was fatal to organics, then flying to a different planet would change nothing.

Hackett is not this stupid, he would have known the crucible attack was unavoidable and running away would do nothing. Bioware's pathetic writing staff have now ruined Hackett as well as Joker. Those guys should give themselves a pat on the back.


How would he know that? From the records that the Protheans left on the effect of their incomplete piece of technology? Nobody knows how the Crucible is going to work. Standard operating procedure when working with a poorly understood weapon is to light the fuse and get the heck out of the way. It would be stupid for him to leave the allied forces in between the Crucible and the Reapers.


He knew that the Crucible will destroy the Reapers, and I'm pretty sure there are Reapers outside of earth. Meaning this attack would span the entire galaxy, so the fleet would not be able to avoid no matter how far they got. Their only option is to use it and hope for the best.


The majority of the Reaper fleet is in the Sol system, the rest of the Reapers were likely in manageable number in the galaxy at large, and Hackett had no way of knowing whether or not it would wipe out all of the Reapers. The only measure of its power that we're ever given is that it is "unquantifiable", which means he has no way of knowing whether it would only decimate the Reapers in the Sol system or the entire armada across the galaxy. For all he knows it could unleash a signal that interacts with the indoctrination signal and destroys the Reapers, or it could just unleash a supernova that obliterates everything in the Sol system. The game spends more time on Shepard running through imaginary forests than it does on explaining the Crucible.
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trigin12
5 years ago#66
From: Fusioncode99 | #062
What else would it do besides harm them? Bake them a platter of cookies? If Hackett had formed coherent thoughts then he would have realized that ordering your fleet to evacuate would make no difference, no matter how far they got, the weapon would either kill them or not. It all depends on if the crucible would hurt organics or not.

For all he knew (or any of us), it could have been a weapon for the Reapers to use. Plans created by indoctrinated individuals. It could have even been completely worthless, point is, Hackett and the others had absolutely no clue what the Crucible was or what it did or what the effects would be. Claiming otherwise is folly.
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Sociopathix
5 years ago#67
Scrooge_McDuck posted...
Raze_da_Kitsune posted...
Also another quick point I want to throw in as that Hackett knew going into the attack that this was going to be the battle to end the war whether they won or lost. There is NO reason for them to leave if the Crucible doesn't work. Why wouldn't you save the one man that made any of it possible?

A bomb that may or may not cripple the enemy force is about to go off. Do you really want to hang around when that happens? What if it blows up everyone? What if it cripples only half of enemy's fleet? What if it also cripples your own fleet more than the enemy's?

An temporary retreat is the soundest option. If the Crubicle doesn't work, then they could swoop back in and have their last stand. If it works and there are remnants of the Reaper forces, then they would gain a big advantage on the upcoming battle. If it actually destroys everything near it indiscriminately, then having millions of survivors is better then having none at all.

See. Hackett did say that he doesn't want to lose Shepard, but that doesn't mean that he's the only one he doesn't want to lose.


And here I was thinking I was gonna have to type all that^

What he said.
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Fusioncode99
5 years ago#69
*sigh* if Bioware had actually bothered to explain what the Crusible did then we wouldn't be having this problem.

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_Mad_Hatter_
5 years ago#70
Raze_da_Kitsune posted...
Out of character for HACKETT not people in general dude. Are you not getting that part?

Which statement are we talking?


Hackett, in the very beginning of the game sent a ton of soldiers to their death. He basically gave a bunch of kids baseball bats and said go kill those gang-bangers with AK-47 over there. Those kids then got killed by the gang-bangers, and Hackett buyed himself and others time to escape. Those kids also people he didn't want to lose, they were people he didn't want dead.

Point is love for one person takes a backseat to survival of an entire galaxy full of species. Ordering a retreat, or a fallback, is a call a leader would make, especially when that leader is responsible for EVERYBODY in the galaxy, and everybody is getting overwhelmed a fallback is not out of character, not even for Hackett.


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Save EVERYBODY EVERYWHERE except Shepard = The right choice. One a leader would make...
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