How to manage your digital games on Nintendo consoles (especially 3DS)?

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User Info: GrimPhantasia

GrimPhantasia
4 weeks ago#51
Yeah, as I said, companies pretend to be totally against piracy. They're against piracy, but not totally. Nowadays it's being pretty difficult to pirate something because of the new hardware (new blu-rays for PS4 games, Nintendo Switch cartridges), though I'm sure hackers will find a way. But let's agree: at least in Wii, 360, PS3 generation, they could do more to stop piracy than what they pretended to do.

I usually don't like to talk about piracy because people tend to be extremist: there are people, as you said, that believe they have the right to do anything and that there are no consequences in the market; there are also people who condemn everything which has to do with piracy and tell a lot of lies about people who do it (we're talking about consumers condemning piracy, not company owners, so that's very strange, since, as I said, companies are shady when the topic is piracy and since they are judging people whose reality they don't even know).

All I know is that if I like something, I'd like to buy it. I don't have any patience to pirate to test it or to play demos. I'll buy it or not. Of course, I research on internet about buyers' opinion, but that's it. When there is something on pre-order, I cannot do it, so, yeah, I may be reckless sometimes. I don't even have much money, which makes it even more reckless. I can tell that some people here don't pirate games because gaming is their hobby since childhood, a lot of them used to pirate games (mainly in PS2 generation) and so they started to work, to earn their own money and to realize that, if they don't spend the money on something they want to play, they won't play it. Buying is a way to give more value to the product they consume: if it's a free, pirated game, they tend to not play or enjoy it, since getting a lot of free stuff is too easy and they can do it whenever they want. Many of them do exactly what you said: they download the pirate version first to test, so if they like it, they buy it.

At last, I have some interesting news: today XBOX ONE X was released here. I don't know the original price, but I'm sure the local price is not fair. I'll show you how much it costs here. Even if you can't understand the language, the price is pretty clear to understand on the title:
https://www.techtudo.com.br/noticias/2017/12/xbox-one-x-chega-ao-brasil-com-preco-de-lancamento-de-rs-3999.ghtml

User Info: bungiefan

bungiefan
4 weeks ago#52
Meteordragon10 posted...
Wow. Are you saying your stores basically allow pirated software or that they simply do not check for such things when selling them...or both? Sounds kind of shady...in a way.

Hm, I guess so.


That is the case in a lot of countries. Especially in South America, Africa, the Middle East, and Southeast Asia and Oceania. It has been that way ever since modchips and consoles running optical discs came out. Blank discs are cheap, imported copies from richer countries with items priced for higher monthly incomes are not. There are countries where whole families maybe earn $100 USD a month equivalent, and a $60 game is not going to fly at all there. If companies priced the games for local incomes there, people in richer countries would start importing from there to cut the prices they pay. That is one reason region locks were introduced in the first place. Steam struggles with this still to this day, and they do have region locks preventing games from being gifted from certain regions for this reason.

http://www.fortressofdoors.com/piracy-and-the-four-currencies/

It is a more complex issue than you have stated.
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User Info: Meteordragon10

Meteordragon10
4 weeks ago#53
Piracy is tough to fight to be honest. For companies, they cannot do much about it legally until they find evidence that people are illegally downloading a bunch of games. At that point they can contact your ISP and have you put on a watch list, where they monitor your downloads for illegal activity. Then when they find enough evidence to grab you, they take you to court, and then siphon money from you for a large portion of your life. They probably cannot do much about it when foreign people pirate stuff though.

I don't know anything about piracy on those newer systems to be honest, but I imagine you'd be right there. As for Wii, they probably could have done more, yeah. I mean, they only banned people hacking online if they were doing nothing but trolling others I think. For smaller things that weren't so harmful,

Yes, piracy is indeed a difficult subject to talk about in a mature fashion with people...

Well, that's generally how I was as a kid. I didn't do research back then though. I just kind of like..."Oh new Mario game! I want it. As a kid and that was it. Of course, now I do extensive research for any game (using youtube videos, online information, etc...) I buy because I am very big on spending my money in what I believe is a wise way. Well yes, some people are strictly against piracy, just as some people are strictly for it as well. We can only hope that eventually all people do in fact start paying for their video games after being able to earn their own money...

You know, now that I think about it...so many people pirate in the world. Is it possible that piracy is directly related to companies being greedy somehow? Sometimes companies need to do greedy things (charge more) in order to stay alive, especially with tech getting more and more expensive, but what if the worldwide popularity of piracy is what is pushing them to have to make that greedy decision (or else they have to shut down, or degrade the quality of their games) in the first place? Hm, I wonder. Just a thought that popped into my head.

I can agree with that. Buying the game yourself gives you more of a sense that you actually own the product completely.

Xbox One X huh. Hm.. The system is like, 500 dollars here I think.
It's okay; google has a somewhat inaccurate but still usable translation option, so I should be able to make out what it says. ...$3,999? What. o_o ...actually, google translate seems to have worked on that site perfectly. Anyway, it says that whatever version you got is some limited edition called the "Project Scorpio" edition. I don't know much about those systems, but maybe it being limited edition is making it cost more? Maybe.
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User Info: Meteordragon10

Meteordragon10
4 weeks ago#54
bungiefan posted...
That is the case in a lot of countries. Especially in South America, Africa, the Middle East, and Southeast Asia and Oceania. It has been that way ever since modchips and consoles running optical discs came out. Blank discs are cheap, imported copies from richer countries with items priced for higher monthly incomes are not. There are countries where whole families maybe earn $100 USD a month equivalent, and a $60 game is not going to fly at all there. If companies priced the games for local incomes there, people in richer countries would start importing from there to cut the prices they pay. That is one reason region locks were introduced in the first place. Steam struggles with this still to this day, and they do have region locks preventing games from being gifted from certain regions for this reason.

http://www.fortressofdoors.com/piracy-and-the-four-currencies/

It is a more complex issue than you have stated.
I see. Well it is true I am not very knowledgeable on things like this if they take place out of the area where I live. I guess I can kind of see why a bunch of people pirate over there now...well I have a more clear view of why that is now, at least.
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User Info: GrimPhantasia

GrimPhantasia
4 weeks ago#55
For real, the news says that the Project Scorpio edition, a limited edition of XBOX ONE X I didn't know it existed, is in promotion in some stores for "only" R$3500. The original version is really R$3999.

Even if I wanted and had money for buying an XBOX ONE X right now, do you know when I'd buy the official version released here? Never.

I prefer risking to import it and being caught by customs.

User Info: Meteordragon10

Meteordragon10
4 weeks ago#56
Well I mean...I wouldn't buy it either if it costed that much. Even with that promotion, it's still outrageously expensive. As I'm a bit on the cautious side, I don't know if I'd want to import it either. Just out of curiosity; what would happen if you got caught by customs?
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User Info: GrimPhantasia

GrimPhantasia
4 weeks ago#57
Meteordragon10 posted...
Well I mean...I wouldn't buy it either if it costed that much. Even with that promotion, it's still outrageously expensive. As I'm a bit on the cautious side, I don't know if I'd want to import it either. Just out of curiosity; what would happen if you got caught by customs?


The local law says that you have to pay more 60% of the product price in the country for every product that's above R$ 50 (including shipping), unless the products are books, papers or ink. So If I got a XBOX ONE X for US$ 500 (around R$ 1650) from a foreign store and got caught by customs, I'd have to pay more 60% of the local price (R$ 3999), which would be around R$ 2400. The total would be R$ 4050, but I'm excluding the shipping cost of the calculation.

My conclusion is that, in the worst situation, I'd pay something around the local price. In the best situation, I wouldn't be caught by customs and would pay only R$ 1650 + shipping. It definitely worth the risk, huh? I should add, though, that recently customs are more aware of that stuff and a heavy object attracts a lot of more attention, so it could be easily caught. Even so, some people get some luck.

The strangest stuff is that the law explicitly says that you should pay 60% of the value of the product, having the local price as basis, which makes the situation extremely shady when you don't have an official local value to comparate (for example, Nintendo stuff, which is sold here in some imported goods stores, while Nintendo doesn't officially sell products here, so they don't have an official price).

User Info: Meteordragon10

Meteordragon10
4 weeks ago#58
Okay, so they literally do nothing except make you pay the local price and that's it. Well that's...not as bad as I thought. I figured they'd do something more harsh like, fine you way more, or going to court, or...jail time, etc. Seems like it is worth the risk is that's all that happens, yes.

Honestly, I'm not even sure why there's a law like that if you don't even really get punished for breaking it in the first place...not that this is a particularly bad thing for consumers. I suppose with Nintendo products, that means places can lie and raise the price of systems and other things as much as they like because of that little issue, making them tons and tons of extra cash. Yes, very shady indeed...
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User Info: GrimPhantasia

GrimPhantasia
4 weeks ago#59
Well, I think it's clear that the main goal of this country is sucking your money in every way... since local minimum wage is R$ 937, and specialists calculate that here you work until August just to pay taxes... I'd say even surviving here with such reality is kinda hard. Any additional way to lose money could definitely be considered a heavy punition, if you're just a common middle class citizen.

Sometimes it is possible to appeal, so you have a chance of not having to pay even if you were caught by customs. However, many people give up getting their imported products (because they don't know they can appeal or because they got unsuccessful at appealing and can't afford the additional fees charged by customs), so government makes auctions for the caught products in order to raise money. In those auctions you can get products for a considerable lower price than the official local price.

Yeah, no logic, I know... so, again, basically squeezing contributors to get all money they have is the real law here.

User Info: Meteordragon10

Meteordragon10
4 weeks ago#60
Seems like it ; / That definitely sounds a lot worse than here though. ...Don't suppose moving away from there is something within the realm of possibility for you?

I see. So uh...theoretically how would you even win such cases? If it's illegal there, why would they allow you to appeal at all? I just woke up so maybe I'm not seeing a reason for it, but yeah. Have you ever taken part in the auctions?
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